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Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
by The Thorn
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pm
by TheMalteseDart
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
The Thorn wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:35 pm I agree with Malt that Boulton would probably not do any massive damage but just qualifying for Worlds and being around the top 64 and possibly keeping your card is a big achievement in my book. When you consider the quality of players even outside the top 64 I think we are often too harsh on these players. They are the elite 128 in the world after all.
Usually 4-6. Sometimes 128 :D

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pm
by sennafan24
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
I also don't think making the top 6 of the OOM alone means a player is elite.

Wes Newton was ranked in the top 6 of the PDC OOM once upon a time. Yet I never considered him elite due to his absence of TV titles.

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pm
by Emulsfier
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
The Thorn wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:35 pm I agree with Malt that Boulton would probably not do any massive damage but just qualifying for Worlds and being around the top 64 and possibly keeping your card is a big achievement in my book. When you consider the quality of players even outside the top 64 I think we are often too harsh on these players. They are the elite 128 in the world after all.
Usually 4-6. Sometimes 128 :D
Elite in the world =/= elite in the pdc mate.

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:31 pm
by Dfc180
sennafan24 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
I also don't think making the top 6 of the OOM alone means a player is elite.

Wes Newton was ranked in the top 6 of the PDC OOM once upon a time. Yet I never considered him elite due to his absence of TV titles.
So Andrew Gilding is elite as he has won a TV major?

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:31 pm
by The Thorn
Dfc180 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:31 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
I also don't think making the top 6 of the OOM alone means a player is elite.

Wes Newton was ranked in the top 6 of the PDC OOM once upon a time. Yet I never considered him elite due to his absence of TV titles.
So Andrew Gilding is elite as he has won a TV major?
No

He's fat

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:32 pm
by The Thorn
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
The Thorn wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:35 pm I agree with Malt that Boulton would probably not do any massive damage but just qualifying for Worlds and being around the top 64 and possibly keeping your card is a big achievement in my book. When you consider the quality of players even outside the top 64 I think we are often too harsh on these players. They are the elite 128 in the world after all.
Usually 4-6. Sometimes 128 :D
Stop chasing me

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:33 pm
by The Thorn
sennafan24 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
I also don't think making the top 6 of the OOM alone means a player is elite.

Wes Newton was ranked in the top 6 of the PDC OOM once upon a time. Yet I never considered him elite due to his absence of TV titles.
Yes

You need to do it on TV

Chisnall is 5th in the 2023 rankings but only because of Pro Tours

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:33 pm
by TheMalteseDart
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:32 pm
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
The Thorn wrote: Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:35 pm I agree with Malt that Boulton would probably not do any massive damage but just qualifying for Worlds and being around the top 64 and possibly keeping your card is a big achievement in my book. When you consider the quality of players even outside the top 64 I think we are often too harsh on these players. They are the elite 128 in the world after all.
Usually 4-6. Sometimes 128 :D
Stop chasing me
Someone has to do it whilst CWS and his multiples haven’t been posting as much over the Christmas period

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:35 pm
by Dfc180
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:33 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
I also don't think making the top 6 of the OOM alone means a player is elite.

Wes Newton was ranked in the top 6 of the PDC OOM once upon a time. Yet I never considered him elite due to his absence of TV titles.
Yes

You need to do it on TV

Chisnall is 5th in the 2023 rankings but only because of Pro Tours
Euro tours (which are shown on tv)

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:37 pm
by The Thorn
Dfc180 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:35 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:33 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pm
The Thorn wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pm I view elite players as the ones that can be reasonably thought of as likely title contenders at the beginning of big tournies.

So no I view him as elite, even thought I love him.
I have a similar definition

Elite is the highest class to me

Therefore it includes about 4-6 players usually
I also don't think making the top 6 of the OOM alone means a player is elite.

Wes Newton was ranked in the top 6 of the PDC OOM once upon a time. Yet I never considered him elite due to his absence of TV titles.
Yes

You need to do it on TV

Chisnall is 5th in the 2023 rankings but only because of Pro Tours
Euro tours (which are shown on tv)
They are pro tours and not considered TV events in my book

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:37 pm
by TheMalteseDart
6 Euro tour titles should count for something imo. Is it correct to say only MVG and Wright have more?

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:42 pm
by sennafan24
Dfc180 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:31 pm So Andrew Gilding is elite as he has won a TV major?
No.

I'm quite stingy in who I define as elite.

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:42 pm
by DeepFriedRat
Yes but he needs to start winning majors or he'll be forever remembered as Darts' Biggest Choker

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
by Emulsfier
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:37 pm 6 Euro tour titles should count for something imo. Is it correct to say only MVG and Wright have more?
Lice.

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
by Dfc180
DeepFriedRat wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:42 pm Yes but he needs to start winning majors or he'll be forever remembered as Darts' Biggest Choker
Terry Jenkins?

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
by The Thorn
DeepFriedRat wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:42 pm Yes but he needs to start winning majors or he'll be forever remembered as Darts' Biggest Choker
Not bigger than Tony "BDSM" Martinez

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
by TheMalteseDart
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:37 pm 6 Euro tour titles should count for something imo. Is it correct to say only MVG and Wright have more?
Lice.
Genuinely forgot about his existence

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
by The Thorn
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:37 pm 6 Euro tour titles should count for something imo. Is it correct to say only MVG and Wright have more?
Lice.
Genuinely forgot about his existence
I wish...

Re: Is Dave Chisnall an elite player?

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
by Emulsfier
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
Emulsfier wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:43 pm
TheMalteseDart wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:37 pm 6 Euro tour titles should count for something imo. Is it correct to say only MVG and Wright have more?
Lice.
Genuinely forgot about his existence
Sorry for reminding you.