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[The Thorn]

Cross and Smith will never win the world cup together and they are both heavily overatted
Peter wright will never win another world championship
Ryan Searle, Robert Thornton and danny noppert will all get into the world quarters in december
dirk van duijvenbode will never do anything again

Welcome to the forum mate

Fair enough, your optimism regarding Thornton warms my heart

[Randall]

Cross and Smith will never win the world cup together and they are both heavily overatted
Peter wright will never win another world championship
Ryan Searle, Robert Thornton and danny noppert will all get into the world quarters in december
dirk van duijvenbode will never do anything again

Welcome aboard
Thornton is a brave shout

[cannibal]

I have tons of these, my problem is sorting thru them and limiting them down to a number that the forum could actually handle without blowing the place up.
Lets start with an easy one:

Soft tip cunts won't compete in the PDC pro ranks unless they reform their ways and stop the heresy of playing soft tip darts. ffs it isn't even really "darts". Like rounders isn't really baseball.

ok this one is pretty much accepted across the pond, but here in 'merica this causes the soft tip loving cunts to lose their minds.

[cannibal]

Americans playing Americans (or any country that has a piss poor standard) on the CDC tour isn't going to create players that can compete on the PDC tour. A tour comprised of players playing in the mid to low 80's at their best isn't going to create players who can consistently play in the low 90's. It just creates a few more players who can play in the mid to low 80's. If you want to compete at the top end of the game you have to go where the top end of the game is played.

Yes I know it seems obvious but again over here it causes heads to explode. What is funny if you say the same thing about say basketball or 'merican football every fucker here agrees but nope darts is special for some reason.

[SuperSwede]

If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?

Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.

My instinct says between 2-3% of the time. Nearer 2.

Interesting. You're fractionally more optimistic than Thorn then =D

This could be applied to anybody of course. 'Player X' who played at his level in that schedule on Thursday.

Yes of course, nothing specific about Durrant in this scenario. He played reasonably well in the final and averages don't account for timing. If you asked 100 darts fans how often X beats X+6 in terms of averages they will nearly all give you too high a number.

[SuperSwede]

Americans playing Americans (or any country that has a piss poor standard) on the CDC tour isn't going to create players that can compete on the PDC tour. A tour comprised of players playing in the mid to low 80's at their best isn't going to create players who can consistently play in the low 90's. It just creates a few more players who can play in the mid to low 80's. If you want to compete at the top end of the game you have to go where the top end of the game is played.

Yes I know it seems obvious but again over here it causes heads to explode. What is funny if you say the same thing about say basketball or 'merican football every fucker here agrees but nope darts is special for some reason.

Is it's purpose to create players though or as i would argue to a) get/keep players into the game and b) identify those with the potential to make the step you want them to.

I'm sure a lot of high school basketball is rubbish but serves the same purposes, people like competing and playing games and the best are usually (due to the average standard you mention) easily identifiable to then progress to college basketball and so on and so on.

[sennafan24]

Ladies darts is more popular then ever

How is this controversial?

[Randall]

Ladies darts is more popular then ever

How is this controversial?

How is it true?

Sky, Billie jean king and Fallon's bank manager might think so but overall who really cares beyond the elite level, and by elite I mean 3 players max.

[TheMalteseDart]

Cross and Smith will never win the world cup together and they are both heavily overatted
Peter wright will never win another world championship
Ryan Searle, Robert Thornton and danny noppert will all get into the world quarters in december
dirk van duijvenbode will never do anything again

Noppert can get to the quarters, I’d be surprised if Searle gets that far in the worlds again but seems to save his best for it

Thornton will do well to get to round 1 let alone the quarter finals unfortunately

[Dfc180]

Averages mean absolutely nothing. It's all about winning or losing

[The Thorn]

Averages mean absolutely nothing. It's all about winning or losing

Context matters.

In terms of merit, results, achievements etc, average matters fuck all. The worth of a title doesn't depends on how much you averaged or who you beat. It's not your fault and shouldn't be held against you if you averaged 85.

In terms of how well someone is playing, averages are a very useful stat. Especially long term averages. Sure the win is what really matters but the higher average player is going to win 8/10 times. (or sth like that) They are easy to understand and a good indicator of performance.

Example: Based on achievements this year, Dimitri is a top 3 player. He won the most important major, no question. His average matters fuck all.
But who is the actual best player right now? As in who is the player who would be favourite against every other player to win? In that sense, obviously you can look at the stats and figure it out somewhat. No sane person would say that Dimitri is one of the 3 best players in the world. But no one can deny he's done more this year than everyone bar MVG and Price.

[Randall]

Dimi won what amounted to an elongated leisure centre players championship.
As much as I love him it doesn't qualify him for top 10 never mind 3.
Especially as he has done little else

[sennafan24]

Dimi won what amounted to an elongated leisure centre players championship.
As much as I love him it doesn't qualify him for top 10 never mind 3.
Especially as he has done little else

+1

Although Dimi would make my top 10 just about.

The three best players in the world are Price, Wright and MVG.

Anderson is a notch below them at the moment.

Then there are several other players just behind Anderson.

[Randall]

Dimi won what amounted to an elongated leisure centre players championship.
As much as I love him it doesn't qualify him for top 10 never mind 3.
Especially as he has done little else

+1

Although Dimi would make my top 10 just about.

The three best players in the world are Price, Wright and MVG.

Anderson is a notch below them at the moment.

Then there are several other players just behind Anderson.

I'm sorry but it cannot carry the weight of any previous version of the matchplay.
It was a completely different event.
On his best day he probably is but unfortunately his best day doesn't come round that often.

In terms of top ranking players now its mvg, price, wright in any order you like.
After that its pretty much interchangeable depending which way the wind is blowing between about 6 people.

[The Thorn]

Dimi won what amounted to an elongated leisure centre players championship.
As much as I love him it doesn't qualify him for top 10 never mind 3.
Especially as he has done little else

+1

Although Dimi would make my top 10 just about.

The three best players in the world are Price, Wright and MVG.

Anderson is a notch below them at the moment.

Then there are several other players just behind Anderson.

Yeah, I'd agree with that, Dimi is probably just in the top 10. Got to the last 8 of the UK Open too, then since the Matchplay we don't have much info and his injury must have hindered him too. And I'd probably put Aspinall on level with Ando

[sennafan24]

I'm sorry but it cannot carry the weight of any previous version of the matchplay.
It was a completely different event.
On his best day he probably is but unfortunately his best day doesn't come round that often.

In terms of top ranking players now its mvg, price, wright in any order you like.
After that its pretty much interchangeable depending which way the wind is blowing between about 6 people.

The Matchplay had a lower standard in the latter stages this year, but it was still a very tough event to win.

And I am still not convinced that the lack of crowd made much of a difference.

[Randall]

I'm sorry but it cannot carry the weight of any previous version of the matchplay.
It was a completely different event.
On his best day he probably is but unfortunately his best day doesn't come round that often.

In terms of top ranking players now its mvg, price, wright in any order you like.
After that its pretty much interchangeable depending which way the wind is blowing between about 6 people.

The Matchplay had a lower standard in the latter stages this year, but it was still a very tough event to win.

And I am still not convinced that the lack of crowd made much of a difference.

Any event with a final of best of 35 legs is going to be tough to win but a crowd and atmosphere certainly creates a different event.
If this is born out by ian white winning ally pally you are welcome to shoot me.

[Rogg]

I'm sorry but it cannot carry the weight of any previous version of the matchplay.

No need to apologise Randall. Just fuck off. Sorry Randall.

Are you sure you're not saying 'inferior weight' when you actually just mean 'different weight'? It was certainly a different edition. I'm not aware of evidence that it was inferior in any way.

[sennafan24]

I'm sorry but it cannot carry the weight of any previous version of the matchplay.

No need to apologise Randall. Just fuck off. Sorry Randall.

Are you sure you're not saying 'inferior weight' when you actually just mean 'different weight'? It was certainly a different edition. I'm not aware of evidence that it was inferior in any way.

What about the pressure of the Winter Gardens' Stage?

[Rogg]

I'm sorry but it cannot carry the weight of any previous version of the matchplay.

No need to apologise Randall. Just fuck off. Sorry Randall.

Are you sure you're not saying 'inferior weight' when you actually just mean 'different weight'? It was certainly a different edition. I'm not aware of evidence that it was inferior in any way.

What about the pressure of the Winter Gardens' Stage?

They were still using a stage as far as I remember. It wasn't lavender and strewn with piss and drawing pins, admittedly, but it was a stage.