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[Randall]

Tyson wouldn't have beaten Ali

Tyson used to be a bit overrated, but then the backlash kicked in, went a bit too far, and now he's underrated by many.

I have Ali as the greatest HW, then Louis, then Lennox, then Foreman, then Tyson.

In his prime, Tyson was a monster.

In that brief 3 year window he was a monster.
Had he tagged Ali he may have got him out of there but ali was in with some monster punches.
I'd have jack johnson up there.
Not a massive fan of Louis.

[sennafan24]

It's stupid to rate RVB over MVG btw.

MVG is already in the top 5 players of all-time. He'll probably end his career in the top 3.

RVB is massively overrated. Taylor was almost always better than him, even before RVB switched to the PDC.

Taylor and bristow are top 2
Below that it's a debate.

Taylor > Bristow > MVG/Lowe > Gando

There is my top 5.

The Headshaker can piss off.

[sennafan24]

In that brief 3 year window he was a monster.
Had he tagged Ali he may have got him out of there but ali was in with some monster punches.
I'd have jack johnson up there.
Not a massive fan of Louis.

He should have never left Kevin Rooney. It was downhill from there.

Larry Holmes is overrated btw.

[Randall]

It's stupid to rate RVB over MVG btw.

MVG is already in the top 5 players of all-time. He'll probably end his career in the top 3.

RVB is massively overrated. Taylor was almost always better than him, even before RVB switched to the PDC.

Taylor and bristow are top 2
Below that it's a debate.

Taylor > Bristow > MVG/Lowe > Gando

There is my top 5.

The Headshaker can piss off.

5 is maybe a little elevated for gando but I'm no fan of barney and his 4 fake world titles.
Jocky might sneak ahead of gando.

[Randall]

In that brief 3 year window he was a monster.
Had he tagged Ali he may have got him out of there but ali was in with some monster punches.
I'd have jack johnson up there.
Not a massive fan of Louis.

He should have never left Kevin Rooney. It was downhill from there.

Larry Holmes is overrated btw.

That's don kings fault.
He ruined tyson.
Holmes gets no credit but he was a damn good fighter
Had as good a jab as your likely to find.

[sennafan24]

5 is maybe a little elevated for gando but I'm no fan of barney and his 4 fake world titles.
Jocky might sneak ahead of gando.

Aye, that's fair.

[sennafan24]

In that brief 3 year window he was a monster.
Had he tagged Ali he may have got him out of there but ali was in with some monster punches.
I'd have jack johnson up there.
Not a massive fan of Louis.

He should have never left Kevin Rooney. It was downhill from there.

Larry Holmes is overrated btw.

That's don kings fault.
He ruined tyson.
Holmes gets no credit but he was a damn good fighter
Had as good a jab as your likely to find.

Holmes is the opposite of Tyson.

He was probably underappreciated for years. But now, a lot of people rate him in the 3 heavyweights of all-time.

[Randall]

In that brief 3 year window he was a monster.
Had he tagged Ali he may have got him out of there but ali was in with some monster punches.
I'd have jack johnson up there.
Not a massive fan of Louis.

He should have never left Kevin Rooney. It was downhill from there.

Larry Holmes is overrated btw.

That's don kings fault.
He ruined tyson.
Holmes gets no credit but he was a damn good fighter
Had as good a jab as your likely to find.

Holmes is the opposite of Tyson.

He was probably underappreciated for years. But now, a lot of people rate him in the 3 heavyweights of all-time.

He certainly isn't that

So many of the "greats" Louis, Marciano, Dempsey etc were just too small to have been competitive against modern giants

[Randall]

5 is maybe a little elevated for gando but I'm no fan of barney and his 4 fake world titles.
Jocky might sneak ahead of gando.

Aye, that's fair.

I'm sure we had a thread for this

[Jimmi]

It's stupid to rate RVB over MVG btw.

MVG is already in the top 5 players of all-time. He'll probably end his career in the top 3.

RVB is massively overrated. Taylor was almost always better than him, even before RVB switched to the PDC.

Taylor and bristow are top 2
Below that it's a debate.

Taylor > Bristow > MVG/Lowe > Gando

There is my top 5.

The Headshaker can piss off.

The first 4 are correct.
5th is a difficult choice. I think in the "Top 10 players of all time" thread, I did have RVB 5th.
As much as I liked Barney from the 90's till about 2014/2015, I might have to have a rethink and do a bit of research.

[sennafan24]

In that brief 3 year window he was a monster.
Had he tagged Ali he may have got him out of there but ali was in with some monster punches.
I'd have jack johnson up there.
Not a massive fan of Louis.

He should have never left Kevin Rooney. It was downhill from there.

Larry Holmes is overrated btw.

That's don kings fault.
He ruined tyson.
Holmes gets no credit but he was a damn good fighter
Had as good a jab as your likely to find.

Holmes is the opposite of Tyson.

He was probably underappreciated for years. But now, a lot of people rate him in the 3 heavyweights of all-time.

He certainly isn't that

So many of the "greats" Louis, Marciano, Dempsey etc were just too small to have been competitive against modern giants

Marciano is massively overrated.

[sennafan24]

The first 4 are correct.
5th is a difficult choice. I think in the "Top 10 players of all time" thread, I did have RVB 5th.
As much as I liked Barney from the 90's till about 2014/2015, I might have to have a rethink and do a bit of research.

Yeah, 5th place is debatable.

I loathe the Headshaker these days, mind. It's reasonable to argue that he should be 5th. But higher than Taylor, Bristow, MVG and Lowe? No chance.

[Randall]

He should have never left Kevin Rooney. It was downhill from there.

Larry Holmes is overrated btw.

That's don kings fault.
He ruined tyson.
Holmes gets no credit but he was a damn good fighter
Had as good a jab as your likely to find.

Holmes is the opposite of Tyson.

He was probably underappreciated for years. But now, a lot of people rate him in the 3 heavyweights of all-time.

He certainly isn't that

So many of the "greats" Louis, Marciano, Dempsey etc were just too small to have been competitive against modern giants

Marciano is massively overrated.

He would have been a light heavy/cruiser weight now

[HalloweenJack]

Tyson wouldn't have beaten Ali

Tyson used to be a bit overrated, but then the backlash kicked in, went a bit too far, and now he's underrated by many.

I have Ali as the greatest HW, then Louis, then Lennox, then Foreman, then Tyson.

In his prime, Tyson was a monster.

Boxing now you are talking.
All time toP 3 heavyweights in my opinion ( I’m basing this on who beats who prime)

1) Ali 1964-67 version
2) Lewis
3) Liston

Mike Tyson whilst brilliant for a short time is vastly overrated imo.

[sennafan24]

Tyson wouldn't have beaten Ali

Tyson used to be a bit overrated, but then the backlash kicked in, went a bit too far, and now he's underrated by many.

I have Ali as the greatest HW, then Louis, then Lennox, then Foreman, then Tyson.

In his prime, Tyson was a monster.

Boxing now you are talking.
All time toP 3 heavyweights in my opinion ( I’m basing this on who beats who prime)

1) Ali 1964-67 version
2) Lewis
3) Liston

Mike Tyson whilst brilliant for a short time is vastly overrated imo.

I adore Liston, but he wouldn't make my top 5.

[Randall]

Wouldn't have lewis top 3
Not liston either.

[Jimmi]

The first 4 are correct.
5th is a difficult choice. I think in the "Top 10 players of all time" thread, I did have RVB 5th.
As much as I liked Barney from the 90's till about 2014/2015, I might have to have a rethink and do a bit of research.

Yeah, 5th place is debatable.

I loathe the Headshaker these days, mind. It's reasonable to argue that he should be 5th. But higher than Taylor, Bristow, MVG and Lowe? No chance.

I think with Barney, it comes down to how much people value his 4 Lakeside wins. At least when he won those 4 titles, it wasn't an absolute shambles like it has been for the last decade or so.

But agreed, he'll never be above those 4.

[HalloweenJack]

Tyson wouldn't have beaten Ali

Tyson used to be a bit overrated, but then the backlash kicked in, went a bit too far, and now he's underrated by many.

I have Ali as the greatest HW, then Louis, then Lennox, then Foreman, then Tyson.

In his prime, Tyson was a monster.

Boxing now you are talking.
All time toP 3 heavyweights in my opinion ( I’m basing this on who beats who prime)

1) Ali 1964-67 version
2) Lewis
3) Liston

Mike Tyson whilst brilliant for a short time is vastly overrated imo.

I adore Liston, but he wouldn't make my top 5.

That jab though. He was the most intimidating fighter ever in my opinion. He would have been world champion earlier if he had been given his title shot.

[Potter's Lake]

[Randall]

Tyson wouldn't have beaten Ali

Tyson used to be a bit overrated, but then the backlash kicked in, went a bit too far, and now he's underrated by many.

I have Ali as the greatest HW, then Louis, then Lennox, then Foreman, then Tyson.

In his prime, Tyson was a monster.

Boxing now you are talking.
All time toP 3 heavyweights in my opinion ( I’m basing this on who beats who prime)

1) Ali 1964-67 version
2) Lewis
3) Liston

Mike Tyson whilst brilliant for a short time is vastly overrated imo.

I adore Liston, but he wouldn't make my top 5.

That jab though. He was the most intimidating fighter ever in my opinion. He would have been world champion earlier if he had been given his title shot.

So intimidating he took a dive.