11 years on...............

[Sheep Shagger]

us is the only country that has what nikki?

are the iraqi people better of without their own leader slaughtering tens/hundreds of thousands every year?

not seen the docu sprocket but heard about her, a sick woman craving attention.

The us are the only country to have used nuclear weapons against people.

When the Russians invaded Afghanistan the USA supplied the weapons to the taliban to fight them, similarly they armed saddam Hussain in Iraq when he was a friend of the administration.

Obviously any government who kills their own people is to be berated and changed if possible but what about rwanda, Zimbabwe or darfur? My question is why do we only "help" nations who have something the west wants, usually oil.

Please do not confuse my abhorrence at USA and UK foreign policy as having a dig at the armed forces, they are sent wherever governments decide they should go and do a job that I could not even imagine the difficulties of and I have nothing but admiration for them.

the bombing of japan while shocking was to save allied lives, a horrible scale to balance but the japenese would have fought to the bitter end and and costs horrendous amounts of our troops lives. how you weigh that with japenese civilians i dont know.

i hear you re arming and them opposing them but times and administrations change and so do circumstances.

i absolutely agree re rwanda etc, but still believe the action to remove saddam was just, just a shame they pick and choose which nations to deal with so obviously.

So by that logic do we bomb Taliban controlled Afghanistan? it would save countless lives?

How anyone can justify the mass bombing of civilians is beyond me, hundreds of thousands of people were killed or as a result endured birth defects or premature death because of those bombs, the fact is it saved AMERICAN lives which is something the americans are good at, is an american life worth more than that of an Afghan or Japanese one? We hear daily about the lives lost in the twin towers but nothing about the civilians killed in Afghanistan in a war they neither started nor wanted. One of the justifications for invading Afghanistan was that they were harbouring Bin Laden, strange he was found in Pakistan and yet what action has been taken against Pakistan? - zip. Billions of dollars are spent each and every day by so called "civilised" countries on bombs and bullets to kill people yet hundreds of innocent children die each day because they have no food or water, what a fucked up world we live in.

Before anyone jumps back in saying we need to do this to protect ourselves from the devils who threaten our way of life, I do understand this but in doing so we are destroying more lives than we are seeking to protect

[doG]

....blah blah blahr, what a fucked up world we live in.

Before anyone jumps back in saying we need to do this to protect ourselves from the devils who threaten our way of life, I do understand this but in doing so we are destroying more lives than we are seeking to protect

So now you want to make all the good people around the world who make bombs at the bomb factories redundant. ...great, solve one problem and start another.
P.S. You know workers at the bomb factory have 'perks from the job' like all other workers. Thus bomb factory workers a rarely fired.

[Randall]

us is the only country that has what nikki?

are the iraqi people better of without their own leader slaughtering tens/hundreds of thousands every year?

not seen the docu sprocket but heard about her, a sick woman craving attention.

The us are the only country to have used nuclear weapons against people.

When the Russians invaded Afghanistan the USA supplied the weapons to the taliban to fight them, similarly they armed saddam Hussain in Iraq when he was a friend of the administration.

Obviously any government who kills their own people is to be berated and changed if possible but what about rwanda, Zimbabwe or darfur? My question is why do we only "help" nations who have something the west wants, usually oil.

Please do not confuse my abhorrence at USA and UK foreign policy as having a dig at the armed forces, they are sent wherever governments decide they should go and do a job that I could not even imagine the difficulties of and I have nothing but admiration for them.

the bombing of japan while shocking was to save allied lives, a horrible scale to balance but the japenese would have fought to the bitter end and and costs horrendous amounts of our troops lives. how you weigh that with japenese civilians i dont know.

i hear you re arming and them opposing them but times and administrations change and so do circumstances.

i absolutely agree re rwanda etc, but still believe the action to remove saddam was just, just a shame they pick and choose which nations to deal with so obviously.

So by that logic do we bomb Taliban controlled Afghanistan? it would save countless lives?

How anyone can justify the mass bombing of civilians is beyond me, hundreds of thousands of people were killed or as a result endured birth defects or premature death because of those bombs, the fact is it saved AMERICAN lives which is something the americans are good at, is an american life worth more than that of an Afghan or Japanese one? We hear daily about the lives lost in the twin towers but nothing about the civilians killed in Afghanistan in a war they neither started nor wanted. One of the justifications for invading Afghanistan was that they were harbouring Bin Laden, strange he was found in Pakistan and yet what action has been taken against Pakistan? - zip. Billions of dollars are spent each and every day by so called "civilised" countries on bombs and bullets to kill people yet hundreds of innocent children die each day because they have no food or water, what a fucked up world we live in.

Before anyone jumps back in saying we need to do this to protect ourselves from the devils who threaten our way of life, I do understand this but in doing so we are destroying more lives than we are seeking to protect

i was very careful not to justify the atomic bombs being dropped, but, if i remember my history, the japenese were given the option to surrender and didnt, russia had declared war on them, the us/uk was at war with them, the casualties in a protracted land campaign would have been massive on our side, the japenese armies side and on the japenese people. it doesnt make it right, but there were no easy decisions to be made after 6 years of war.

i agree the funding of pakistan, in light of their appaling record is a joke, but world politics is just that sadly.

[M H]

Where the fuck to start on this one? 9/11 I guess.

This was the catalyst for the so called "War on terror", Invasions came next. Were the invasions right for the wrong reasons or wrong for the right reasons is purely a matter of conjecture. They happened as we all know and many innocent people died as a consequence. These deaths are as wrong in principle as the deaths on the twin towers, however there was one difference and in my opinion a big difference.

Whatever any of us think of the US and UK war machines I believe they take every possible measure in the circumstances to avoid innocent deaths. That wasn't the way in the past but in these times of 24 hour news coverage the respective governments want to come out of these situations without the appearance of having blood on their hands.

The deaths on 9/11 were deliberate and well planned cold blooded murder, no different to the deaths on 7/7. These people set to to murder people who's only crime was going to work on the days the attacks took place. They didn't care what nationality or religion they killed as long as they killed. It was a wanton act of extreme planned violence and cannot be justified in any form or matter.

The Irish problem has been raised here and ok, with knowledge I'll talk about that.

Yes the Brits invaded and repressed in Ireland but they got their noses bloodied more times that can be counted. Barracks were bombed, soldiers and armed police shot which could be justified as legitimate targets. I accept that argument by those that were committed to the cause of the day.

Then there was the bombing of pubs, shopping centres etc which were as indiscriminate as 9/11 and 7/7. Totally unjustifiable on any level.

The wars the west choose has been mentioned and herein lies in my opinion the biggest problem. What's the difference between Libya and Syria? Apart from the fact that Syria has a well constituted army and Libya didn't? And of course oil!

The west/UN are very selective when it comes to protecting the rights of populations against despots and that's the area in my opinion needs addressing the most.

[micko]

[quote="M H"]Where the fuck to start on this one? 9/11 I guess.

This was the catalyst for the so called "War on terror", Invasions came next. Were the invasions right for the wrong reasons or wrong for the right reasons is purely a matter of conjecture. They happened as we all know and many innocent people died as a consequence. These deaths are as wrong in principle as the deaths on the twin towers, however there was one difference and in my opinion a big difference.

Whatever any of us think of the US and UK war machines I believe they take every possible measure in the circumstances to avoid innocent deaths. That wasn't the way in the past but in these times of 24 hour news coverage the respective governments want to come out of these situations without the appearance of having blood on their hands.

The war in Iraq is illegal!
The invasion of a sovereign state based on lies and innuendo. Ask the relatives of the over 100,000 civilians that have died since the invasion do they think that the coalition forces have taken every precaution to secure their safety.

The deaths on 9/11 were deliberate and well planned cold blooded murder, no different to the deaths on 7/7. These people set to to murder people who's only crime was going to work on the days the attacks took place. They didn't care what nationality or religion they killed as long as they killed. It was a wanton act of extreme planned violence and cannot be justified in any form or matter.

Even with the death of Bin Laden it's clear to see that the terrorists have won. They have changed the face of world travel forever, terrified governments and gullible people worldwide.

The Irish problem has been raised here and ok, with knowledge I'll talk about that.

Yes the Brits invaded and repressed in Ireland but they got their noses bloodied more times that can be counted. Barracks were bombed, soldiers and armed police shot which could be justified as legitimate targets. I accept that argument by those that were committed to the cause of the day.

As a matter of fact the Brits didn't actually invade, they were invited in by waring Irish kings, but like bad guests they forgot to leave. The Pope had also given the then King of England permission to claim Ireland as part of his kingdom. At that time Irish catholic leaders didn't like the Roman influence on their relegion.(How times changed)

Then there was the bombing of pubs, shopping centres etc which were as indiscriminate as 9/11 and 7/7. Totally unjustifiable on any level.

The murder of civilians is abhorrent no matter what the cause.

The wars the west choose has been mentioned and herein lies in my opinion the biggest problem. What's the difference between Libya and Syria? Apart from the fact that Syria has a well constituted army and Libya didn't? And of course oil!

The west/UN are very selective when it comes to protecting the rights of populations against despots and that's the area in my opinion needs addressing the most.#

Most of the despots the west have decided to overthrow were once seen as friends. The sooner the morons in charge realise that those who are fighting their perceived enemy isn't always their friend the better.[/quote]

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[M H]

It appears we agree on more than we disagree on Micko. The war in Iraq wasn't sanctioned by the UN and based on a false premise, however was it more to with a son carrying on a personal crusade as his Dad should have dealt properly the first time. But again was it right for the wrong reasons or wrong for the right reasons mate? History will tell the story and I believe it was the latter.

Yes the level of terrorism has risen but there's a but here mate. I'm sure the level of the secret services has risen as well and they possibly allow things to happen that enhance their agenda. This is something I hope I have terribly wrong but I doubt it.

What did anyone think an empire building nation would do? Invite them in and have no chance of getting rid. Absolute fucking madness and Ireland paid a sore price that still gets paid today.

Again yes the west has subscribed to the theory that my enemy's enemy is my friend. For fuck sake that's always gonna go tits up!

[gonk]

Oil

End of comment on that.

Forces, well I joined up as there was fuck all for me in my shitty little village in Scotland. I see it as a job, not a lifestyle anymore. Looking forward to getting out in 3 years time, and using it as a stepping stone to earning serious money.

[Stran]

instead of posting on a darts forum some of you guys should run for office , you would sort the worlds problems out in less than 24 hours !!!!


shock horror you fucking dont !!!

not whats the matter theere ? have plenty of great ideas not willing to put them into practice ?

[Justin Credible]

thats right you spoke to some arabs so you know so much more than anyone else.

[Stran]

thats right you spoke to some arabs so you know so much more than anyone else.

i didnt say that you fucking cunt.

you have great fucking ideas , go run for office ! put your name out there put your ideas out there !!

no you wont your a fucking internet fucking troll who will wind people up but wont do anything !!!!

at end of the day your a fucking asshole

[Justin Credible]

thats right you spoke to some arabs so you know so much more than anyone else.

i didnt say that you fucking cunt.

you have great fucking ideas , go run for office ! put your name out there put your ideas out there !!

no you wont your a fucking internet fucking troll who will wind people up but wont do anything !!!!

at end of the day your a fucking asshole

See you are still resorting to name calling in your defence.
Is it any wonder no one gives a fuck when the thick squaddies come come in bodybags and deservedly so.

[Stran]

yeah your a fucking cunt end off , say what you want about me doesnt change the fact that your a fucking cock, is this the only forum people put up with you ??

and yeah keep saying about hte dead soldiers etc , i wont lower myself to retort to slagging you off about the same.

just get to fuck you fucking you prick

[Justin Credible]

I am merely pointing out that every british soldier that is part of an invading force deserves toi die.

Be it in ireland , the middle east or anywhere where they have no business being.
If soldiers dont like the idea of fighting and dying and believe in peace then do not join the fucking army, and especially a british one that invades countries on lies.

As for insults, I will leave that to you, as I am better than you.

[Stran]

yeah no doubt you are better than me i have no doubt about that.

i wish i d stuck to what id said at begging of this thread i knew the way it would go , but too late ah well.

well done you , i wish you go for prime minister and sort out the world. but at end of the day you wont cause your a fucking spineless prick.

i hope to fuck one day i can make the forum meet up you can too. dont give two fucking fucks if my mrs is there and your a good guy in real life we will have fucking words your honestly one of the biggest cunts ive ever spoke to in my life even if you are an internet troll.

dont know why im getting myself so upset but i am , if i ever met you im going to punch you right in the fucking throat dont give a shit if you can beat the fuck out of me or whatever , but i swear on my sons life ill punch you right in throat and hopefully dance on your head. if you dance on my head thats honestly fine but ill still get that fucking punch in .

[Justin Credible]

the list , the list.


best meltdown i have seen in a while.
Threats of violence, admissions of getting upset, lovely stuff.

Still hope all invading squaddes in an unjust war get what they have coming to them.
Might teach them to invade other countries without reason.

[Stran]

there was not one threat in any post ive made.

a meltdown... yes ive had a melt down , but not made one fucking threat.

i promise you that.

[Sheep Shagger]

Chill guys, it's a very imotive subject and wishing harm on soldiers or fellow members is not the way

[Justin Credible]

so you reaction to something you dont like hearing is make threats of violence....which you claim you will carry out.
The same mentality by those squaddies, violence and anger being a common trait among them as well.

Well done on proving my point about you and the thick ignorant mentality of people like you when confronted by the truth.

Now run along and smash your keyboard in frustration that I and others dont buy into your bullshit and warped reality, as unlike you I am no sheep and see things and people for what they are, you included.
so feel free to whine, complain, moan , threaten and act the internet hardman (snigger) all you like it only shows you up for what you are.

[Stran]

i dont claim to be a hardman never mind an internet hardman , my threats arent threats easy as that .you are a fucking bell end one of the biggest fucking cunts ive ever came across on the internet , you maybe think the same as me thats fine .

just please turn up somewhere i am one day.

[Justin Credible]

oh look, i am expected to get in to a war of threats now on internet.
If you dont like my opinion then tough shit.

People like you are exactly what sums up the problem.the same type of people with that ignorant attitude that thinks their opinion is always right and if anyone dares question it then hit them , kill them shoot them, invade them...etc

Is it any wonder people universally despise the yanks,their brit lap dogs, thick squaddies and ignorant cunts that invade other countries without just reason so make up lies to validate the hidden agenda.

Maybe if you actually opened you closed mind, put aside the horseshit you have been fed and see things for what they are you might realise I am not the only person who thinks this, and who knows you might realise what a fucking moron you look like amid the hissyfits, threats and sulking.

or better still, stay ignorant, carry on acting the fool issuing threats on the internet