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How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:10 am
by Randall
Is the lack of crowds influencing 2020 results?
Clearly to the viewer it makes toss all difference, but the players?
Would dimi really have won under normal circumstances?
Would dulla have won at the 02?
Can mvg get al really not get motivated?
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:14 am
by vizIIsto
Randall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:10 am
Is the lack of crowds influencing 2020 results?
Yes
Clearly to the viewer it makes toss all difference, but the players?
Yes
Would dimi really have won under normal circumstances?
Well, he's a crowd player. Who knows.
Would dulla have won at the 02?
Had a great first week after covid which helped him into the play-offs. Doubt what the crowd would have done to him.
Can mvg get al really not get motivated?
MvG has to blame himself. It's not like he can't throw well on PC's.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:24 am
by Captain Hobo
It's a convenient excuse when you lose, for sure.
The whole situation is throwing up some weird results, but how much is down to no crowd, I'm not sure.
It's only a few weeks ago Price was complaining about the fake boos, but then he won 2 Tournaments so it can't have really affected him.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:57 am
by oche balboa
Price wouldnt have won the WGP
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:39 am
by Randall
oche balboa wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:57 am
Price wouldnt have won the WGP
I was just thinking exactly that
Would the boo boys have put him off?
It's a sterile arena with no distractions
Surely the standard should be high but we just witnessed an horrendous pl final night.
Its weird
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:48 am
by Potter's Lake
I'd say it's more the "neutral" locations messing with players' heads than the lack of crowd, but yes it is playing a part all the same.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:22 am
by Randall
The tournaments have absolutely no identity for sure
A slam final is exactly the same as a summer series final
You would think you could get motivated for 250k but it certainly didn't happen for wright and gando last night
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:24 am
by vizIIsto
Randall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:22 am
The tournaments have absolutely no identity for sure
A slam final is exactly the same as a summer series final
You would think you could get motivated for 250k but it certainly didn't happen for wright and gando last night
They should have discriminating chants against the players playing on the tape they're playing.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
by Randall
Should just have someone live reading out the forums posts
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:28 am
by vizIIsto
Randall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Should just have someone live reading out the forums posts
Would be more enjoyable than listening to Wayne Mardle
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:28 am
by Randall
vizIIsto wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:28 am
Randall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:26 am
Should just have someone live reading out the forums posts
Would be more enjoyable than listening to Wayne Mardle
Listening to vassos and tony green is better
There, I said it.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:58 am
by The Thorn
It probably does make a difference, but in what way? We can't tell and there's no point guessing. Agree with Hobo that it's not an excuse. If 250k and the PL title isn't enough motivation for you to turn up, blame yourself. Durrant, Dimi and the others will be happy picking up the paycheck. There will be no asterisks whatsoever next to these events, these are regular titles.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:01 am
by Randall
Will there be astericks next to a world championship played in an empty room in Coventry though?
I suspect there will if hendo etc wins.
Please god let it happen.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:04 am
by The Thorn
Randall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:01 am
Will there be astericks next to a world championship played in an empty room in Coventry though?
I suspect there will if hendo etc wins.
Please god let it happen.
Not in my opinion. Certainly can't judge based on who wins. So if it's one of the favourites then it's a regular event, but if not then it's suddenly less valid? That would be very unfair.
Exceptional circumstances happen all the time. This might be the first time for a darts WC but hardly the first in the history of sports. The players have to adapt and if Hendo does that the best then he will be world champ. Just as much of a world champ as Wright or Cross.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:07 am
by Randall
The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:04 am
Randall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:01 am
Will there be astericks next to a world championship played in an empty room in Coventry though?
I suspect there will if hendo etc wins.
Please god let it happen.
Not in my opinion. Certainly can't judge based on who wins. So if it's one of the favourites then it's a regular event, but if not then it's suddenly less valid? That would be very unfair.
Exceptional circumstances happen all the time. This might be the first time for a darts WC but hardly the first in the history of sports. The players have to adapt and if Hendo does that the best then he will be world champ. Just as much of a world champ as Wright or Cross.
I suspect in the future the issues surrounding the events are certain to be involved in the discussion of the outcome.
Honestly I dont think dimi would have won in blackpool nor durrant the pl
But we will never know.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:12 am
by vizIIsto
So Dimi won an 'inferior' World Matchplay because there was no crowd?
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:13 am
by Randall
vizIIsto wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:12 am
So Dimi won an 'inferior' World Matchplay because there was no crowd?
I dont know?
You think not?
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:16 am
by The Thorn
I never paid much attention to would and should haves. Discussing what could have been after the outcome is already known just seems a bit pointless. Regardless of the circumstances. If the Premier League final was played again in the exact same conditions, Durrant wouldn't be more likely to win it than any of the other 3. If you "simulated" the event again, even without changing any of the surrounding issues, he'd still be a slight underdog against Ando and an underdog against whoever came through the other semi.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:22 am
by Randall
It's an interesting discussion point though.
This plays into the hands of the the likes of white but thank fuck history hasn't gone that route.
Re: How much......
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:38 am
by vizIIsto
White has secretly been one of the best players in the world but 50% doesn't know that because he's shit on TV and the other 50% doesn't want to admit it because he's shit on TV