Hillsborough Debate In The House Of Commons

[redman]

ok i have to reply

firstly i was at that game on that terrible day - fortunately for me i had seats which were not in the section involved in this tragedy

i do however know people who lost people on that day

i was a 17 year old kid and frankly pretty naive about what happens at footy matches being my 2nd year of really going the match

i am now aware after 20 years of being a travelling red that we can be quite hard to control and be late in the day for getting in

however the stadium controllers, stewards and police who were on duty that day had a responsibilty that day to look after those coming the match and regardless of what time they rocked up if they had tickets or not etc it was their job to look after those people and they failed in that duty massively

they could have delayed kick off, put out an announcement to the fans trying to get in, stopped those who did not have valid tickets etc, but no they didnt carry out their duty and as a result people died

football supporters by defintion when excited and up for a match will be difficult to control but the whole point of having those there to assist and if you like deal with these supporters is what this all boils down to and sadly and tragically the fact those people failed is why those 96 people died - and for that fact people should be held accountable for their dereliction of duties/mistakes

had they done what they were there to do those supporters would not have died - decisions that should have been taken were not, decisions that were taken should not have been and those people whose responsibility it was to look after and deal with those who were visiting the facility they were responsible for failed in their duties

96 people died and it should have been avoided regardless of what happened

for that reason those "guilty" at the time for whatever reason and those who tried to lie/cover it all up afterwards should be held accountable for what happened

thankfully for that loss of life football in this country learnt and should never fail people so badly again as a result

[Justin Credible]

however the stadium controllers, stewards and police who were on duty that day had a responsibilty that day to look after those coming the match and regardless of what time they rocked up if they had tickets or not etc it was their job to look after those people and they failed in that duty massively

thats where you are wrong.

The stewards and police inside the ground had no responsilbility for those freeloading cunts without tickets, those that charged in and crushed others to death.

Typical of a scouser to deny blame to those that turned up without tickets and did the crushing.
The faster liverpool supporters put the matter behind them and move on the better.
This pathetic ongoing cry for attention is doing more harm than good.

Why is it so hard to understand that your fellow fans crushed people in their greed ?
Is it compulsary for all scousers to blame everyone but themselves for shit they caused. ?

The families suffered a sad loss, but continuing this bitter vendetta and thats all it is against the state only makes me believe its a compensation claim for money is all they are after.


I watched that game live on TV was 20 year old at the time and witnessed what happened, took a few minutes before the true horror of what was happening set in.
but ye really need to let it go and move on its 22 years later and it seems it will never end.

[Wookiee]

It's time to move on, lads.

Haha. Delicious!

[Terry Kenny]

It's time to move on, lads.

Haha. Delicious!

haha, the ironing here is amazingly high

[Furious Wolfie 180]

however the stadium controllers, stewards and police who were on duty that day had a responsibilty that day to look after those coming the match and regardless of what time they rocked up if they had tickets or not etc it was their job to look after those people and they failed in that duty massively

thats where you are wrong.

The stewards and police inside the ground had no responsilbility for those freeloading cunts without tickets, those that charged in and crushed others to death.

Typical of a scouser to deny blame to those that turned up without tickets and did the crushing.
The faster liverpool supporters put the matter behind them and move on the better.
This pathetic ongoing cry for attention is doing more harm than good.

Why is it so hard to understand that your fellow fans crushed people in their greed ?
Is it compulsary for all scousers to blame everyone but themselves for shit they caused. ?

The families suffered a sad loss, but continuing this bitter vendetta and thats all it is against the state only makes me believe its a compensation claim for money is all they are after.


I watched that game live on TV was 20 year old at the time and witnessed what happened, took a few minutes before the true horror of what was happening set in.
but ye really need to let it go and move on its 22 years later and it seems it will never end.

So far wide of the mark i dont know really where to start.

Same old scouse-haters perpetuating the same myths, but it's wonderful to see the Hillsborough Justice Campaign finally getting somewhere. Steve Rotheram's opening speech yesterday was first rate.

Far from moving on the campaigners should be commended. I'd like to think that if 96 Sunderland fans went to a football match and came out in a body bag, that we'd never stop fighting for justice, especially if those 96 died as a result of police incompetence, and their memory was subsequently deliberately blackened by a collusion of the police, the Conservative party and the conservative press, along with the repuation of those who survived.

Anybody who thinks differently can simply fuck off.

Go Read the Taylor Report.

Justice for the 96: expose the lies before Thatcher dies.

[Grazer]

however the stadium controllers, stewards and police who were on duty that day had a responsibilty that day to look after those coming the match and regardless of what time they rocked up if they had tickets or not etc it was their job to look after those people and they failed in that duty massively

thats where you are wrong.

The stewards and police inside the ground had no responsilbility for those freeloading cunts without tickets, those that charged in and crushed others to death.

Typical of a scouser to deny blame to those that turned up without tickets and did the crushing.
The faster liverpool supporters put the matter behind them and move on the better.
This pathetic ongoing cry for attention is doing more harm than good.

Why is it so hard to understand that your fellow fans crushed people in their greed ?
Is it compulsary for all scousers to blame everyone but themselves for shit they caused. ?

The families suffered a sad loss, but continuing this bitter vendetta and thats all it is against the state only makes me believe its a compensation claim for money is all they are after.


I watched that game live on TV was 20 year old at the time and witnessed what happened, took a few minutes before the true horror of what was happening set in.
but ye really need to let it go and move on its 22 years later and it seems it will never end.

So far wide of the mark i dont know really where to start.

Same old scouse-haters perpetuating the same myths, but it's wonderful to see the Hillsborough Justice Campaign finally getting somewhere. Steve Rotheram's opening speech yesterday was first rate.

Far from moving on the campaigners should be commended. I'd like to think that if 96 Sunderland fans went to a football match and came out in a body bag, that we'd never stop fighting for justice, especially if those 96 died as a result of police incompetence, and their memory was subsequently deliberately blackened by a collusion of the police, the Conservative party and the conservative press, along with the repuation of those who survived.

Anybody who thinks differently can simply fuck off.

Go Read the Taylor Report.

Justice for the 96: expose the lies before Thatcher dies.

Absolutely spot on. Well said

[Justin Credible]

fighting for justice ???>?

what justice? the fans are dead, killed by fellow fans during a catalogue of errors whats there to seek.What justice.?
bunch of moaning cunts who cannot accept the tragedy it was and move on, and let those unfortunate people that died rest in peace without the scouse attention seeking me me me me attitude.


I dont buy this shit of the police accepting all the blame.

Did the police force those liverpool fans with no tickets to travel to sheffield ? NO
Did they force them to be freeloading cunts ? NO
Did them force them at gun point against their wishes into already packed ground ? NO

The faster scousers realise liverpool fans were killed by liverpool fans the better.This constant cry for attention and deflection of blame for over 2 decades only serves to make them worse as time goes on.

[The Ginge Reaper]

When they harp on about "justice", what do they want? All the police on duty that day to be deported and then shot? The Chief Constable of SYP at the time to go throw himself off a cliff?

Can a grief-mongerer please clarify?

[Justin Credible]

When they harp on about "justice", what do they want? All the police on duty that day to be deported and then shot? The Chief Constable of SYP at the time to go throw himself off a cliff?

Can a grief-mongerer please clarify?

maybe those police did not have the right to exist

[Knots & crosses]

When they harp on about "justice", what do they want? All the police on duty that day to be deported and then shot? The Chief Constable of SYP at the time to go throw himself off a cliff?

Can a grief-mongerer please clarify?

criminal prosecution.

Failing that someone to sue.

[TimmyB]

When they harp on about "justice", what do they want? All the police on duty that day to be deported and then shot? The Chief Constable of SYP at the time to go throw himself off a cliff?

Can a grief-mongerer please clarify?

A new stadum paid for by government finances?

[The Ginge Reaper]

When they harp on about "justice", what do they want? All the police on duty that day to be deported and then shot? The Chief Constable of SYP at the time to go throw himself off a cliff?

Can a grief-mongerer please clarify?

criminal prosecution.

Failing that someone to sue.

Criminal prosecution of who?

And that will that help 20+ years on? Answer - not at all.

I know, lets drag an 80 year old retired chief superintendent into the dock and send him down

[Knots & crosses]

When they harp on about "justice", what do they want? All the police on duty that day to be deported and then shot? The Chief Constable of SYP at the time to go throw himself off a cliff?

Can a grief-mongerer please clarify?

criminal prosecution.

Failing that someone to sue.

Criminal prosecution of who?

And that will that help 20+ years on? Answer - not at all.

I know, lets drag an 80 year old retired chief superintendent into the dock and send him down

going off on a slight tangent, but by your logic, war criminals shouldn't be hunted & prosecuted years after the fact then, simply because they are old men?

Guilty is guilty, age is no excuse.

[The Ginge Reaper]

going off on a slight tangent, but by your logic, war criminals shouldn't be hunted & prosecuted years after the fact then, simply because they are old men?

Guilty is guilty, age is no excuse.

Indeed, however I wouldnt put the police in charge on that day on the same level as General Pinochet and Slobadan Milosevic.

[Justin Credible]

When they harp on about "justice", what do they want? All the police on duty that day to be deported and then shot? The Chief Constable of SYP at the time to go throw himself off a cliff?

Can a grief-mongerer please clarify?

criminal prosecution.

Failing that someone to sue.

the whole reason why the city of workshy dolescum care............

[Knots & crosses]

going off on a slight tangent, but by your logic, war criminals shouldn't be hunted & prosecuted years after the fact then, simply because they are old men?

Guilty is guilty, age is no excuse.

Indeed, however I wouldnt put the police in charge on that day on the same level as General Pinochet and Slobadan Milosevic.

murder is murder, however you dress it up.

That's not my opinion, just devils advocate.

[The Ginge Reaper]

going off on a slight tangent, but by your logic, war criminals shouldn't be hunted & prosecuted years after the fact then, simply because they are old men?

Guilty is guilty, age is no excuse.

Indeed, however I wouldnt put the police in charge on that day on the same level as General Pinochet and Slobadan Milosevic.

murder is murder, however you dress it up.

That's not my opinion, just devils advocate.

Hillsborough wasnt murder, at its most extreme it was manslaugter. There was no pre-meditation to kill 96 people. Unlike the guy from Cracker.

[Justin Credible]

going off on a slight tangent, but by your logic, war criminals shouldn't be hunted & prosecuted years after the fact then, simply because they are old men?

Guilty is guilty, age is no excuse.

Indeed, however I wouldnt put the police in charge on that day on the same level as General Pinochet and Slobadan Milosevic.

murder is murder, however you dress it up.

That's not my opinion, just devils advocate.

are you for real...........like the superintendent woke up that morning, ordered his forces to round up innocent unemployed scouse fans, make them travel of their own accord to sheffield without tickets, brainwash them through mental telepathy to enter a ground they had no tickets for and proceed to crush their fellow fans.

What a mastermind criminal.

[Knots & crosses]

going off on a slight tangent, but by your logic, war criminals shouldn't be hunted & prosecuted years after the fact then, simply because they are old men?

Guilty is guilty, age is no excuse.

Indeed, however I wouldnt put the police in charge on that day on the same level as General Pinochet and Slobadan Milosevic.

murder is murder, however you dress it up.

That's not my opinion, just devils advocate.

Hillsborough wasnt murder, at its most extreme it was manslaugter. There was no pre-meditation to kill 96 people. Unlike the guy from Cracker.

so it's an illegally caused death. That's the point.

[Knots & crosses]

going off on a slight tangent, but by your logic, war criminals shouldn't be hunted & prosecuted years after the fact then, simply because they are old men?

Guilty is guilty, age is no excuse.

Indeed, however I wouldnt put the police in charge on that day on the same level as General Pinochet and Slobadan Milosevic.

murder is murder, however you dress it up.

That's not my opinion, just devils advocate.

are you for real...........like the superintendent woke up that morning, ordered his forces to round up innocent unemployed scouse fans, make them travel of their own accord to sheffield without tickets, brainwash them through mental telepathy to enter a ground they had no tickets for and proceed to crush their fellow fans.

What a mastermind criminal.

no, it's not for real, hence the devils advocate part. Didn't say it was my opinion, but there may be some who hold that opine.

Keep up eh.