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Re: Tournament averages of post split bdo/wdf pretend world champions

Post by oche balboa » Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:23 pm

Walton would have had a great game with Taylor. Walton was on fire. Taylor didn't have much of a challenge in the PDC then
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oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:23 pm Walton would have had a great game with Taylor. Walton was on fire. Taylor didn't have much of a challenge in the PDC then
Taylor was too good for anyone at that time at World Championship level. The longer the match, the stronger he was. The biggest scare that Taylor had at the 2001 World Championship was against Les Fitton, who won the first set and was competitive throughout the match in a 3-1 Taylor win. Taylor seemed to remember, beating Les Fitton 10-0 at the 2003 World Matchplay with a 108.12 average.

The Fitton match at the 2001 World Championship, in my opinion, is the main reason why the 2002 PDC World Championship had such a bizarre format. Best of 7 sets in the Last 32, Best of 11 sets in the Last 16, Quarter Finals and Semi Finals, and Best of 13 sets in the Final. Such long formats massively played into Taylor's hands. No chance of an upset like Fitton threatened the year before.

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Post by oche balboa » Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm

PT13 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:29 pm
oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:23 pm Walton would have had a great game with Taylor. Walton was on fire. Taylor didn't have much of a challenge in the PDC then
Taylor was too good for anyone at that time at World Championship level. The longer the match, the stronger he was. The biggest scare that Taylor had at the 2001 World Championship was against Les Fitton, who won the first set and was competitive throughout the match in a 3-1 Taylor win. Taylor seemed to remember, beating Les Fitton 10-0 at the 2003 World Matchplay with a 108.12 average.

The Fitton match at the 2001 World Championship, in my opinion, is the main reason why the 2002 PDC World Championship had such a bizarre format. Best of 7 sets in the Last 32, Best of 11 sets in the Last 16, Quarter Finals and Semi Finals, and Best of 13 sets in the Final. Such long formats massively played into Taylor's hands. No chance of an upset like Fitton threatened the year before.

Not denying that. But John Walton was very very good in 2000/1 won the World Masters and won 2001 BDO Worlds in the most impressive field stats wise. It would have been tough for Taylor has he had a majority of the PDC beat and Walton would have been a different opponent he wasn't 100% familiar with. Taylor perhaps would have won but Walton would have giving him a great game unlike Manley, Warriner and Part at the time.
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Post by sennafan24 » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm

Taylor would have been too much for Walton over a longer format.
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sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm Taylor would have been too much for Walton over a longer format.
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The Thorn wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm Taylor would have been too much for Walton over a longer format.
Arguable
Look at the stats for the 2001 World Championships in the later rounds.

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Post by The Thorn » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:18 pm

sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm
The Thorn wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm Taylor would have been too much for Walton over a longer format.
Arguable
Look at the stats for the 2001 World Championships in the later rounds.

PT13 has it right.
I said it was arguable.

I wasn't going to argue it myself.
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Post by Tommo » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:20 pm

The Thorn wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm Taylor would have been too much for Walton over a longer format.
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Post by The Thorn » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:22 pm

Tommo wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:20 pm
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sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:14 pm Taylor would have been too much for Walton over a longer format.
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Post by Randall » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:23 pm

Taylor was unplayable in 01
03-05 he might have been challenged
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Post by sennafan24 » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:27 pm

Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:23 pm Taylor was unplayable in 01
03-05 he might have been challenged
This.

But even in 2005 he slaughtered the BDO boys in cross-code events, including Headshaker.
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Post by oche balboa » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:30 pm

Months later Taylor played Painter (Who was a BDO Player) and lost. So it's not beyond the relms of possibility
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Post by Randall » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:31 pm

sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:27 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:23 pm Taylor was unplayable in 01
03-05 he might have been challenged
This.

But even in 2005 he slaughtered the BDO boys in cross-code events, including Headshaker.
If he needed to raise it he could
The grand prix finals against part in that period are an absurdity of play.
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oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:30 pm Months later Taylor played Painter (Who was a BDO Player) and lost. So it's not beyond the relms of possibility
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oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:30 pm Months later Taylor played Painter (Who was a BDO Player) and lost. So it's not beyond the relms of possibility
Even the late 2000s version of Taylor lost the odd game. For example, he lost the 2009 Premier League semi-final against King.

They were firmly the exceptions to the rule.

Taylor would beat Walton 8 or 9 times out of 10 over a long format.
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Post by oche balboa » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:38 pm

Taylors route (Tournament Average 100.83)

Nigel Justice 3-0 (94.09)
Les Fitton 3-1 (96.95)
Keith Deller 4-0 (103.19)
Dave Askew 6-0 (102.75)
John Part 7-0 (107.46)

Waltons (Tournament Average 96.96)

Richie Davies 3-1 (100.62)
Mervyn King 3-1 (98.05)
Marko Pusa 5-0 (93.90)
Wayne Mardle 5-2 (97.95)
Ted Hankey 6-2 (95.55)
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Post by The Thorn » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:39 pm

So Walton faced stronger opposition
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oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:38 pm Taylors route (Tournament Average 100.83)

Nigel Justice 3-0 (94.09)
Les Fitton 3-1 (96.95)
Keith Deller 4-0 (103.19)
Dave Askew 6-0 (102.75)
John Part 7-0 (107.46)

Waltons (Tournament Average 96.96)

Richie Davies 3-1 (100.62)
Mervyn King 3-1 (98.05)
Marko Pusa 5-0 (93.90)
Wayne Mardle 5-2 (97.95)
Ted Hankey 6-2 (95.55)
Which proves the point that Taylor was significantly stronger over a longer format.
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Post by oche balboa » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:51 pm

Which i haven't disputed. I'm saying Walton would give him a game more then Part etc would have
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Post by Ross, Bob » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:54 pm

oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:51 pm Which i haven't disputed. I'm saying Walton would give him a game more then Part etc would have
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