The PDC's biggest sins in the past few years

[Randall]

Allowing headshaker back, the cheating cunt.

Haters gonna hate, Barney is da goat

Hardly the goat with only 1 world title.

5. Taylor has 2. Evidence is conclusive.

If you are going parrot this shit you can go

[The Thorn]

Allowing headshaker back, the cheating cunt.

Haters gonna hate, Barney is da goat

Hardly the goat with only 1 world title.

5. Taylor has 2. Evidence is conclusive.

If you are going parrot this shit you can go

Is this really the straw that breaks the camel's back?

[sennafan24]

Haters gonna hate, Barney is da goat

Hardly the goat with only 1 world title.

5. Taylor has 2. Evidence is conclusive.

If you are going parrot this shit you can go

Is this really the straw that breaks the camel's back?

[Brainbox]

[sennafan24]

Genuine question Smithy.

What do you get out of all this?

[Brainbox]

Genuine question Smithy.

What do you get out of all this?

Why do people keep on going on about Smithy? I had never been here before this account

[Randall]

Haters gonna hate, Barney is da goat

Hardly the goat with only 1 world title.

5. Taylor has 2. Evidence is conclusive.

If you are going parrot this shit you can go

Is this really the straw that breaks the camel's back?

I'm having a very bad day

[shenmue]

Allowing headshaker back, the cheating cunt.

+ loads, cracking little post

[Ross, Bob]

Allowing headshaker back, the cheating cunt.

Haters gonna hate, Barney is da goat

Hardly the goat with only 1 world title.

5. Taylor has 2. Evidence is conclusive.

If you are going parrot this shit you can go

Smart man.

[thegentle]

8. Employing Dan Dawson

I find Dawson irritating.

However, he at least has a passion for the game and puts effort into his work.

Agreed.

Also I'm looking for things that are either immoral or wrong from a sporting perspective.

Some will say the Premier League format which I disagree with but don't consider it a sin

In your list in the OP you list "crowds". The crowds have been an issue for over a decade, not the past few years. I struggle to believe that the crowds at PDC events in 2022 and 2023 were much worse than they were in 2012 or 2013.

It's a long-standing problem and one that I don't really have a solution for.

I watched a replay of Shepherd vs Mardell the other day, it really took me by surprise how quiet the crowd was in that first year of Ally Pally, so it's not an arena of that size which makes crowd control impossible (although it doesn't help). I think it's more the clientele they are aiming for that makes it impossible to get the best of order

[Randall]

Definitely the crowds
Definitely getting worse
A reflection of society

[Mabbsy]

Definitely the crowds
Definitely getting worse
A reflection of society

Perfectly summed up old bean

[Randall]

Definitely the crowds
Definitely getting worse
A reflection of society

Perfectly summed up old bean

I do my best

[PT13]

8. Employing Dan Dawson

I find Dawson irritating.

However, he at least has a passion for the game and puts effort into his work.

Agreed.

Also I'm looking for things that are either immoral or wrong from a sporting perspective.

Some will say the Premier League format which I disagree with but don't consider it a sin

In your list in the OP you list "crowds". The crowds have been an issue for over a decade, not the past few years. I struggle to believe that the crowds at PDC events in 2022 and 2023 were much worse than they were in 2012 or 2013.

It's a long-standing problem and one that I don't really have a solution for.

I watched a replay of Shepherd vs Mardell the other day, it really took me by surprise how quiet the crowd was in that first year of Ally Pally, so it's not an arena of that size which makes crowd control impossible (although it doesn't help). I think it's more the clientele they are aiming for that makes it impossible to get the best of order

Around 2005-2009 time, what John Part called the "football crowd" were only really at the Premier League while the other PDC televised events continued to be more like a "golf crowd". This then started to change so that the "football crowd" began to take over everywhere, with many people wondering "what happened to the best of order?" and "why are the crowds allowed to loudly boo players going for doubles?". It wasn't really tolerated before, even if there was rowdiness between throws.

[KingBinglin]

When you advertise an event as basically being a piss-up then surely there can be little complaint when those attending act like they're on a stag do? The booing and whistling is only to be expected given how they portray the sport. The PDC have let it carry on for so long now they've made a massive rod for their own backs. Actions, such as over the top crowd control, limiting drinking, throwing people out or the players walking off / refusing to play on will be called out as being heavy handed.

[Brainbox]

The crowds have always been like this in a way, look at the old Brissy games, loads of heckling from crowds. Thing is back then they actually watched the game.

[Randall]

It's the scaling

[PT13]

The crowds have always been like this in a way, look at the old Brissy games, loads of heckling from crowds. Thing is back then they actually watched the game.

They were mostly like a golf crowd though, a few incidents aside like a fan throwing a lager can at Bristow (that was an England vs. Scotland game, I believe). Those golf like crowds can be noisy and rowdy at times, but they are still very interested in the game and come across that way. If they did get over the top, there would be the caller telling them to stop or security warning them or throwing them out.

The football like crowd are a different breed, often focusing more on other sections of the crowd, having a piss up, and a loud generalized noise, and when they do get hostile with a player then it's really nasty, loud booing on doubles, cheering their failures etc. The attitude from those in charge changed to "That's the way things are now".

[sennafan24]

I watched a replay of Shepherd vs Mardell the other day, it really took me by surprise how quiet the crowd was in that first year of Ally Pally, so it's not an arena of that size which makes crowd control impossible (although it doesn't help). I think it's more the clientele they are aiming for that makes it impossible to get the best of order

I assume by that stage the clientele wasn't that bad. First time I attended the PL in Manchester was 2009. The crowd on that night were well-behaved IIRC.

Fast forward to 2011 and 2012 in the same arena and the crowds were very different. IIRC, football shirts were banned in an attempt to prevent conflicts, but that policy wasn't really effective.

[Rogg]

when they do get hostile with a player then it's really nasty, loud booing on doubles, cheering their failures etc.

TDF shall lead the enlightenment.