Where does Scott Williams beating MvG rank in the list of World Championship shocks?

[oche balboa]

Jim Williams beat Peter Wright

is this a shock?

[The Thorn]

Jim Williams beat Peter Wright

is this a shock?

No

[Rogg]

It's hard to be personally shocked by anything after all this time. Campbell v Wade and Doley v Anderson are the most startled by winners I've been so far I think.

[TheMalteseDart]

Man Lok beating Gian was a big upset even in a slightly shorter format game.

I think Dolan is one of them players where you can never be completely shocked if he beats one of the top boys because he’s hung around the top 20 of the world for a long time. The biggest surprise for me was that he did 2 upsets back to back. At the matchplay, his MVG win was followed up by an 11-1 defeat to Heta

[Rogg]

Man Lok beating Gian was a big upset even in a slightly shorter format game.

I think Dolan is one of them players where you can never be completely shocked if he beats one of the top boys because he’s hung around the top 20 of the world for a long time. The biggest surprise for me was that he did 2 upsets back to back. At the matchplay, his MVG win was followed up by an 11-1 defeat to Heta

Leung I had forgotten about. Good call. It really does feel an age ago.

[Rob Singleton]

I'm not surprised one bit. Any player averaging mid 90's will always have chances. Goblin was the gift that kept giving with his abysmal doubling.

Once it was known Scott was throwing first it didn't stop Goblin shortening 1.1 into 1.08 on bf.

With the score at 4-3 and Goblin throwing to save the match he was still fav to win @ 1.63. He looked smoked as his arse fell out. I never once laughed as I was too busy cheering Scott.

I called it recently in the piss taking averages thread. The standard from the "elite" is dropping. Is it due to being minted, resulting in a lack of motivation? Can't be burn out from too many events because "on days off" the top players frequently play lucrative exhibitions in front of 1,000's.

However, there is a silver lining - PDC fanboys are in tatters - There's many on here

[sennafan24]

I'm not surprised one bit. Any player averaging mid 90's will always have chances. Goblin was the gift that kept giving with his abysmal doubling.

Once it was known Scott was throwing first it didn't stop Goblin shortening 1.1 into 1.08 on bf.

With the score at 4-3 and Goblin throwing to save the match he was still fav to win @ 1.63. He looked smoked as his arse fell out. I never once laughed as I was too busy cheering Scott.

I called it recently in the piss taking averages thread. The standard from the "elite" is dropping. Is it due to being minted, resulting in a lack of motivation? Can't be burn out from too many events because "on days off" the top players frequently play lucrative exhibitions in front of 1,000's.

However, there is a silver lining - PDC fanboys are in tatters - There's many on here

The PDC's top 32 is probably stronger than ever.

However, I suspect the very top-end of the PDC was at its strongest between 2015 and 2018 or something similar.

[sennafan24]

However, there is a silver lining - PDC fanboys are in tatters - There's many on here

Not all PDC fanboys are MVG fanboys though.

[PT13]

In 2007 Wynand Havenga beating Manley year after he made the final in the last 32

Manley's loss in 2005 to Josephus Schenk as well. At least Havenga out-Manleyed Manley on the day with the big bravado.

[PT13]

Steve Brennan beating Eric Bristow 2-0 is the biggest shock of all world championship history. Barney losing to James Richardson is 2nd

This is a nice shock but perhaps not in the top 10

And Brennan beat Bristow again at the 1986 MFI World Matchplay. Bristow then made the comment of "I lose to too many Wallies". Steve Brennan then started to be called "Wally" by a lot of players

[Rob Singleton]

Steve Brennan beating Eric Bristow 2-0 is the biggest shock of all world championship history. Barney losing to James Richardson is 2nd

This is a nice shock but perhaps not in the top 10

And Brennan beat Bristow again at the 1986 MFI World Matchplay. Bristow then made the comment of "I lose to too many Wallies". Steve Brennan then started to be called "Wally" by a lot of players

Aha SB. Steve was the fastest player back then. I even received my first darts trophy from the great man. Pic unavailable

[PT13]

I thought Smith was already a somewhat fancied player back then

He was, for the future. But his opponent was Phil Taylor, who in 2013 won the World Championship, UK Open, World Matchplay, Sydney Darts Masters, Championship League Darts, the World Grand Prix, The Masters and the Grand Slam of Darts. Taylor had also led MvG 6-3 in the Players Championship final before losing 7-11. Michael van Gerwen in 2013 had dominated on the floor in the first half of 2013, won the Premier League and Dubai Darts Masters, but was beaten by Adrian Lewis in a few big matches (European Championship, World Matchplay, Grand Slam of Darts), and by Taylor at the UK Open, Sydney Darts Masters and Championship League Darts, and was outshined by Taylor until the Players Championship in early December.

Adrian Lewis was himself a huge underdog against Phil Taylor for the 2010 World Grand Prix semi final. John Part needed a Taylor win in that match for a 2010 Grand of Slam of Darts slot and took it for granted that Taylor would win. Lewis had been given a much greater chance of possibly beating Taylor at the 2010 World Championship in their quarter final, which Taylor won 5-0 despite Lewis' high averages.

[sennafan24]

Lewis had been given a much greater chance of possibly beating Taylor at the 2010 World Championship in their quarter final, which Taylor won 5-0 despite Lewis' high averages.

Aye, Lewis averaged over 103 in all three of his games leading up to that meeting quarter final. Taylor himself had averaged between 102 and 104 in his previous three games.

Both were in great form, but Taylor dominated their head to head meeting. Probably one of his best Ally Pally performances.

[PT13]

Gary Welding beating Colin Lloyd in 2006 as well

That is a big one. Lloyd was second favourite to win the 2006 World Championship behind Taylor. Lloyd started by winning the first 2 sets against Welding, averaging around 107. Welding responded with his own 100+ average in the third set. Then the match became very scrappy, and Welding found a way to win 3-2. I don't think Lloyd was ever quite the same again after that match, and then later the Barney match a year later.

[Rogg]

Gary Welding beating Colin Lloyd in 2006 as well

That is a big one. Lloyd was second favourite to win the tournament behind Taylor. Lloyd started by winning the first 2 sets against Welding, averaging around 107. Welding responded with his own 100+ average in the third set. Then the match became very scrappy, and Welding found a way to win 3-2. I don't think Lloyd was ever quite the same again after that match.

Neither was I.

[PT13]

Lewis had been given a much greater chance of possibly beating Taylor at the 2010 World Championship in their quarter final, which Taylor won 5-0 despite Lewis' high averages.

Aye, Lewis averaged over 103 in all three of his games leading up to that meeting quarter final. Taylor himself had averaged between 102 and 104 in his previous three games.

Both were in great form, but Taylor dominated their head to head meeting. Probably one of his best Ally Pally performances.

+1

[PT13]

Gary Welding beating Colin Lloyd in 2006 as well

That is a big one. Lloyd was second favourite to win the tournament behind Taylor. Lloyd started by winning the first 2 sets against Welding, averaging around 107. Welding responded with his own 100+ average in the third set. Then the match became very scrappy, and Welding found a way to win 3-2. I don't think Lloyd was ever quite the same again after that match.

Neither was I.

It was funny after the 2006 World Championship final when Colin Lloyd was being interviewed backstage by Helen Chamberlain, and Peter Manley came in after losing the final and started winding Lloyd up as he was being interviewed, and Lloydy couldn't resist saying "Hello Peter. 7-0 again!".

[Rogg]

I thought I had filed the Lloyd-Welding game in the same bottomless pit as the 2014 Matchplay final. Most disappointing to see it fluttering back into view.

[Rogg]

Gary Welding beating Colin Lloyd in 2006 as well

That is a big one. Lloyd was second favourite to win the tournament behind Taylor. Lloyd started by winning the first 2 sets against Welding, averaging around 107. Welding responded with his own 100+ average in the third set. Then the match became very scrappy, and Welding found a way to win 3-2. I don't think Lloyd was ever quite the same again after that match.

Neither was I.

It was funny after the 2006 World Championship final when Colin Lloyd was being interviewed backstage by Helen Chamberlain, and Peter Manley came in after losing the final and started winding Lloyd up as he was being interviewed, and Lloydy couldn't resist saying "Hello Peter. 7-0 again!".

What Taylor put those lads through was not ethical.

[Randall]

However, there is a silver lining - PDC fanboys are in tatters - There's many on here

Not all PDC fanboys are MVG fanboys though.

Who on here are pdc fanboys? What qualifies you as one?