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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:06 pm
by Rogg
The iron chicken wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:50 pm For the record Eric would've eaten MVG alive mentally. He was the master of it, and working a crowd.
Not averaging 50 he won't!

I just find the dismissal of MVG to be casual. We should go lightly, that's all I'm saying. MVG's peak, assuming we've seen it, was sensational, and Bristow loved him.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:06 pm
by The iron chicken
sennafan24 wrote:How the hell do you even compare Peak MVG and Peak Bristow?

The boards, etc are drastically different between the eras they competed in.
I think someone did a statistical analysis years ago, can't remember now. Anyway, you're correct it's the Ali Vs Tyson debate. You can't match era's I suppose so we've only opinion..and that of course is debatable.

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:25 pm
by Rogg
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:01 pm How the hell do you even compare Peak MVG and Peak Bristow?

The boards, etc are drastically different between the eras they competed in.
We probably can't even answer this yet but I wonder which of them was closest to their peak for the longest. Or which of them was most Taylor-like for the longest.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:28 pm
by The iron chicken
Rogg wrote:
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:01 pm How the hell do you even compare Peak MVG and Peak Bristow?

The boards, etc are drastically different between the eras they competed in.
We probably can't even answer this yet but I wonder which of them was closest to their peak for the longest. Or which of them was most Taylor-like for the longest.
We may have to wait a few years yet to answer that, or maybe not. You never know.

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:35 pm
by TheMalteseDart
Will mvg ever average 55 in a world championship?

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:36 pm
by The Thorn
TheMalteseDart wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:35 pm Will mvg ever average 55 in a world championship?

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Would be 90 on todays boards

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:47 pm
by oche balboa
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:06 pm
The iron chicken wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:50 pm For the record Eric would've eaten MVG alive mentally. He was the master of it, and working a crowd.
Not averaging 50 he won't!

I just find the dismissal of MVG to be casual. We should go lightly, that's all I'm saying. MVG's peak, assuming we've seen it, was sensational, and Bristow loved him.
Christ Almighty.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:47 pm
by The Thorn
oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:47 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:06 pm
The iron chicken wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:50 pm For the record Eric would've eaten MVG alive mentally. He was the master of it, and working a crowd.
Not averaging 50 he won't!

I just find the dismissal of MVG to be casual. We should go lightly, that's all I'm saying. MVG's peak, assuming we've seen it, was sensational, and Bristow loved him.
Christ Almighty.
You called?

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:50 pm
by sennafan24
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:25 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:01 pm How the hell do you even compare Peak MVG and Peak Bristow?

The boards, etc are drastically different between the eras they competed in.
We probably can't even answer this yet but I wonder which of them was closest to their peak for the longest. Or which of them was most Taylor-like for the longest.
83 to 86 appears to be Bristow's peak. Between Lakeside 83 and 86 he won 8 out of 13 major BDO events. The latter stages of 85 Lakeside appears to be the time where he was "unplayable".

MVG's peak was 2015-2018 IIRC. Sadly Darts Database is offline so I can't list his yearly averages. I'm mostly drawing from memory.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:57 pm
by The iron chicken
sennafan24 wrote:
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:25 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:01 pm How the hell do you even compare Peak MVG and Peak Bristow?

The boards, etc are drastically different between the eras they competed in.
We probably can't even answer this yet but I wonder which of them was closest to their peak for the longest. Or which of them was most Taylor-like for the longest.
83 to 86 appears to be Bristow's peak. Between Lakeside 83 and 86 he won 8 out of 13 major BDO events. The latter stages of 85 Lakeside appears to be the time where he was "unplayable".

MVG's peak was 2015-2018 IIRC. Sadly Darts Database is offline so I can't list his yearly averages. I'm mostly drawing from memory.
Yeah 83/86 were the magic years. But throughout the 80's he was there or thereabouts in big events.




Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:10 am
by oche balboa
1984 World title

Finn Jensen 2-0 (91.50)
Rick Ney 4-0 (94.50)
Peter Locke 5-0 (95.70)
John Lowe 5-0 (93.60)
Dave Whitcombe 7-1 (97.50)

Average around 96 on those boards is amazing and only 1 set lost

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:12 am
by The Ginge Reaper
Its clearly going to be higher than a 93 average, he only averaged 91.5 for 2 sets ffs.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:14 am
by The Thorn
The Ginge Reaper wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:12 am Its clearly going to be higher than a 93 average, he only averaged 91.5 for 2 sets ffs.
Stop confusing Oche

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:23 am
by oche balboa
According to DartsforWindows its 95.32

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:35 am
by Dennis The Menace
What about NOTW darts tournament. That was the won to win before the PDC and Lakeshite championships.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:37 am
by oche balboa
Dennis The Menace wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:35 am What about NOTW darts tournament. That was the won to win before the PDC and Lakeshite championships.
What about it

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:38 am
by Dennis The Menace
There must be some winners that are top 10.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:59 am
by HalloweenJack
sennafan24 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:53 am
Nigel Cheeseman-Blenkinsop wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:36 am Ok thanks Captain.
Tell this Thorn or anyone else to name their time and place , we can meet in St Helens on Sea and give 'em a slap.
Up this late because the alarm gone off at the gym , My mate Paul in charge tomorrow, I've gotta travel up to the Lakes for a wedding . Gonna lay it on the line with a worlds post at 6pm Sunday . My secretary Canilla ( Swedish) is typing it out for me.
Easy lolly
Aye, Thorn needs a good slap.
Senna advocating violence against a fellow forum member there.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:00 am
by HalloweenJack
Dennis The Menace wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:38 am There must be some winners that are top 10.
The legendary Stefan Lord won it twice.

Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:16 am
by Randall
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:38 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:33 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:31 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:26 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:24 pm
That's not the version Uncle Randall is ever interested in. Yet he's quite interested in the shit versions of MVG.

That's an alternative way to build the all-time list: whose worst was least bad? Oh let's not. I've got to get out of here.
Eric's game being ruined by dartitis is somewhat different to mvg falling in a heap when someone puts it up to him
Well that's life. We all get ruined by something.

And there is the MVG assessment in a nutshell. A lemon who fell apart two nights ago.
Mentally mvg isn't on a par with Taylor or Bristow.
I'm not denying it. I'm just interested in assessing things fairly because people (inc. me!) are generally all over the place.

Are all three players at the absolute peak of their powers in your statement?
Absolutely
Disregard mentality briefly
Just consider the numbers
97 would have been very competitive at the Worlds this year
Then stop and think Bristow did that on boards half the size
Taylor could do 100 over distance double in on boards far more difficult
Whatever sky tell you the game isn't at its highest level ever