Your Top 10 Players Ever?

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by Rogg » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:13 pm

oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:08 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
Yes because the current players are still playing :?
I have noticed this.
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Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:13 pm
oche balboa wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:08 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
Yes because the current players are still playing :?
I have noticed this.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

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Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by PT13 » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm

Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
Bristow can also be seen as the guy suffering from dartitis or averaging in the 50s against Manley at the 1999 World Championship.

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by The iron chicken » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:18 pm

There was always a lot of affection for Eric due to his struggles with Dartitis Like today's Boxers sometimes they need protecting from themselves, but with him it was a general love of the game.
Bristow, merely a tale, a fable...an image froze in time.

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by Rogg » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:24 pm

PT13 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
Bristow can also be seen as the guy suffering from dartitis or averaging in the 50s against Manley at the 1999 World Championship.
That's not the version Uncle Randall is ever interested in. Yet he's quite interested in the shit versions of MVG.

That's an alternative way to build the all-time list: whose worst was least bad? Oh let's not. I've got to get out of here.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by Randall » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:26 pm

Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:24 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
Bristow can also be seen as the guy suffering from dartitis or averaging in the 50s against Manley at the 1999 World Championship.
That's not the version Uncle Randall is ever interested in. Yet he's quite interested in the shit versions of MVG.

That's an alternative way to build the all-time list: whose worst was least bad? Oh let's not. I've got to get out of here.
Eric's game being ruined by dartitis is somewhat different to mvg falling in a heap when someone puts it up to him
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by oche balboa » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:28 pm

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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by The iron chicken » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:30 pm

Seconded.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by Rogg » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:31 pm

Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:26 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:24 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
Bristow can also be seen as the guy suffering from dartitis or averaging in the 50s against Manley at the 1999 World Championship.
That's not the version Uncle Randall is ever interested in. Yet he's quite interested in the shit versions of MVG.

That's an alternative way to build the all-time list: whose worst was least bad? Oh let's not. I've got to get out of here.
Eric's game being ruined by dartitis is somewhat different to mvg falling in a heap when someone puts it up to him
Well that's life. We all get ruined by something.

And there is the MVG assessment in a nutshell. A lemon who fell apart two nights ago.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by Randall » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:33 pm

Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:31 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:26 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:24 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:07 pm Just a general thought here. When people bring up the old players, they always come up as a singular thing. Bristow, today, is the monster of a kid winning everything. He is preserved at his very, very best. Players are only given that luxury once they are long gone.
Bristow can also be seen as the guy suffering from dartitis or averaging in the 50s against Manley at the 1999 World Championship.
That's not the version Uncle Randall is ever interested in. Yet he's quite interested in the shit versions of MVG.

That's an alternative way to build the all-time list: whose worst was least bad? Oh let's not. I've got to get out of here.
Eric's game being ruined by dartitis is somewhat different to mvg falling in a heap when someone puts it up to him
Well that's life. We all get ruined by something.

And there is the MVG assessment in a nutshell. A lemon who fell apart two nights ago.
Mentally mvg isn't on a par with Taylor or Bristow.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by sennafan24 » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:36 pm

I dislike MVG and his nerdy fanboys on Twitter, but he's at worst 3rd best all-time, arguably 2nd.

I'm not sure I buy this narrative about him being vulnerable under pressure, or at least more so than past greats. It's more that his game has declined in recent years from exceptional to merely great. Thus, it's easier to beat him.

Granted, he did underperform slightly against Smith in the final. He wasn't as potent as he had been against Mensur or Dimi.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by The Thorn » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:36 pm

Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:33 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:31 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:26 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:24 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm
Bristow can also be seen as the guy suffering from dartitis or averaging in the 50s against Manley at the 1999 World Championship.
That's not the version Uncle Randall is ever interested in. Yet he's quite interested in the shit versions of MVG.

That's an alternative way to build the all-time list: whose worst was least bad? Oh let's not. I've got to get out of here.
Eric's game being ruined by dartitis is somewhat different to mvg falling in a heap when someone puts it up to him
Well that's life. We all get ruined by something.

And there is the MVG assessment in a nutshell. A lemon who fell apart two nights ago.
Mentally mvg isn't on a par with Taylor or Bristow.
Dartitis is mental
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by Rogg » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:38 pm

Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:33 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:31 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:26 pm
Rogg wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:24 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm
Bristow can also be seen as the guy suffering from dartitis or averaging in the 50s against Manley at the 1999 World Championship.
That's not the version Uncle Randall is ever interested in. Yet he's quite interested in the shit versions of MVG.

That's an alternative way to build the all-time list: whose worst was least bad? Oh let's not. I've got to get out of here.
Eric's game being ruined by dartitis is somewhat different to mvg falling in a heap when someone puts it up to him
Well that's life. We all get ruined by something.

And there is the MVG assessment in a nutshell. A lemon who fell apart two nights ago.
Mentally mvg isn't on a par with Taylor or Bristow.
I'm not denying it. I'm just interested in assessing things fairly because people (inc. me!) are generally all over the place.

Are all three players at the absolute peak of their powers in your statement?
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by TheMalteseDart » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:46 pm

Mvg is better than Bristow :)
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by Rogg » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:49 pm

TheMalteseDart wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:46 pm Mvg is better than Bristow :)
Now we're talking!
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by The iron chicken » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:50 pm

For the record Eric would've eaten MVG alive mentally. He was the master of it, and working a crowd.
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Re: Your Top 10 Players Ever?

Post by sennafan24 » Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:01 pm

How the hell do you even compare Peak MVG and Peak Bristow?

The boards, etc are drastically different between the eras they competed in.
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