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The PDC are really good at finding a way around their own rules

Maybe they can do it once when it's actually fair and makes sense

Captain Hobo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:16 pm

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:43 pm Edgar TV said in a video the PDC can revoke your tour card if you don't play any events in a 12 month period. Perez played in June so he is not in danger as of now.

Be tough to revoke a card won at Q-School 2023 before the start of Q-School 2024, then.

I'll caveat this by saying I haven't watched the video, but would I be right in saying that only those who had enough money on their OoM total to stay inside the top 64 even after taking a year off would be affected by it?

I suppose the sensible option if they go down that route is if they revoke the card won at the last year's Q-School, unless there is a very good reason why they are unable to play on the tour (Cadby's different because his inability to get a visa is because of his own bone-headedness rather than the Home Office being cunts as usual)

thegentle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:06 pm I suppose the sensible option if they go down that route is if they revoke the card won at the last year's Q-School, unless there is a very good reason why they are unable to play on the tour (Cadby's different because his inability to get a visa is because of his own bone-headedness rather than the Home Office being cunts as usual)

The 1 right thing Suella did, the vile bitch

Emulsfier wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:22 pm

Captain Hobo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:16 pm

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:43 pm Edgar TV said in a video the PDC can revoke your tour card if you don't play any events in a 12 month period. Perez played in June so he is not in danger as of now.

Be tough to revoke a card won at Q-School 2023 before the start of Q-School 2024, then.

Was my thought. A completely useless rule if your goal is to combat instant flouncers.

I think if they adjust it the main things to do would be to
1) allow players (at least those from far flung places) to apply for a deferral for a year so they can sort things out. Many wouldn't realistically be able to apply for a sportsperson visa until they have the tour card, and without that visa they are more restricted in what they can do to earn money.
2) change the rules for new tour card holders so that it's a percentage of events, including an expectation that they play in the UK Open.

1205 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:20 pm

Emulsfier wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:22 pm

Captain Hobo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:16 pm

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:43 pm Edgar TV said in a video the PDC can revoke your tour card if you don't play any events in a 12 month period. Perez played in June so he is not in danger as of now.

Be tough to revoke a card won at Q-School 2023 before the start of Q-School 2024, then.

Was my thought. A completely useless rule if your goal is to combat instant flouncers.

I think if they adjust it the main things to do would be to
1) allow players (at least those from far flung places) to apply for a deferral for a year so they can sort things out. Many wouldn't realistically be able to apply for a sportsperson visa until they have the tour card, and without that visa they are more restricted in what they can do to earn money.
2) change the rules for new tour card holders so that it's a percentage of events, including an expectation that they play in the UK Open.

Tbf even some European players have shit to sort out in their personal lives upon becoming a tour card holder which means they can't play the UK Open, I remember Hempel couldn't get started until after that point and he ended up qualifying for the Worlds and keeping his card after 2 years

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:10 pm

thegentle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:06 pm I suppose the sensible option if they go down that route is if they revoke the card won at the last year's Q-School, unless there is a very good reason why they are unable to play on the tour (Cadby's different because his inability to get a visa is because of his own bone-headedness rather than the Home Office being cunts as usual)

The 1 right thing Suella did, the vile bitch

Cheers Oche's crying

These Pro Tour card holders WILL loose it at the end of the year, whatever happens :
England :
Nick Fullwell
Darren Webster
Shaun Wilkinson
James Wilson
Bradley Brooks
George Killington
Scott Waites
Joe Murnan
Ted Evetts
Northern Irland :
Kevin Burness
Nathan Rafferty
Scotland :
Jamie Clark
Ross Montgomery
Wales :
Lewy Williams
Richie Burnett
Ireland :
John O'Shea
Netherlands :
Luc Peters
Damian Mol
Jimmy Hendriks
Danny Jansen
Belgium :
Brian Raman
Austria :
Rusty-Jake Rodriguez
Denmark :
Vladimir Andersen
Lithuania :
Darius Labanauskas
Poland :
Krzysztof Kciuk
Spain :
Tony Martinez
Jose Justicia
Canada :
Jeff Smith
South Africa :
Devon Petersen

These players COULD keep their card if they perform well at Ally Pally :
England :
Connor Scutt
Belgium :
Mario Vandenbogaerde
Netherlands :
Kevin Doets
Poland :
Radek Szaganski
USA :
Jules van Dongen (a VERY good performance will be necessary for Jules)

These players could loose their tour card if the above players play well at Ally Pally :
Croatia :
Boris Krcmar
Czech Republic :
Adam Gawlas
Germany :
Florian Hempel

Do you know if any of these players will retire ?

Richie Burnett if he fails at Q School will be picked up by World Seniors quicker then anything

As well as Demolition180

Richie is good value wherever he plays.

Probably better suited to the Seniors Tour though.

I wonder which of the top 8 women will take the free entry. I think we can safely say yes Falley and no Beau.


1 Beau Greaves 29400
2 Fallon Sherrock 17200
3 Mikuru Suzuki 13600
4 Rhian O'Sullivan 9100
5 Lisa Ashton 8950
6 Robyn Byrne 6900
7 Aileen de Graaf 5400
8 Noa-Lynn van Leuven 5300

Rogg wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:10 pm I wonder which of the top 8 women will take the free entry. I think we can safely say yes Falley and no Beau.


1 Beau Greaves 29400
2 Fallon Sherrock 17200
3 Mikuru Suzuki 13600
4 Rhian O'Sullivan 9100
5 Lisa Ashton 8950
6 Robyn Byrne 6900
7 Aileen de Graaf 5400
8 Noa-Lynn van Leuven 5300

They all should. The more women try, the better.

They are good enough to play Challenge Tour as well.

The French wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:57 pm
These players COULD keep their card if they perform well at Ally Pally :
England :
PCF Connor Scutt
Belgium :
PCF Mario Vandenbogaerde
Netherlands :
PCF Kevin Doets
Poland :
PCF Radek Szaganski
USA :
PCF Jules van Dongen (a VERY good performance will be necessary for Jules)

These players could loose their tour card if the above players play well at Ally Pally :
Croatia :
PCF Boris Krcmar
Czech Republic :
Adam Gawlas
Germany :
Florian Hempel

Do you know if any of these players will retire ?

Most of the possibles in your lists have qualified for the Players Championship Finals, so have an opportunity to win some more money there.

Also, Martijn Kleermaker has talked about resigning his tour card, so with Rafferty currently not in either the PCF or WC, it's possible that a player only needs to finish in 65th to keep their card.

Van Dongen could overtake Rafferty by reaching the 3rd round of both PCF and WC.

Rogg wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:10 pm I wonder which of the top 8 women will take the free entry. I think we can safely say yes Falley and no Beau.


1 Beau Greaves 29400
2 Fallon Sherrock 17200
3 Mikuru Suzuki 13600
4 Rhian O'Sullivan 9100
5 Lisa Ashton 8950
6 Robyn Byrne 6900
7 Aileen de Graaf 5400
8 Noa-Lynn van Leuven 5300

Beau Said no
Fallon will obviously
Mikuru i assume will
Rhian not sure
Lisa will
Robyn will
Aileen i don't think will
Noa-Lynn possibly

The top 8 from the Nordic & Baltic Tour get free entry too. Uncontrollably hyped for a possible Jeff Giraffe rebirth.


1 Marko Kantele FIN
2 Jeffrey de Graaf SWE
3 Benjamin Drue Reuss DEN
4 Daniel Larsson SWE
5 Dennis Nilsson SWE
6 Paavo Myller FIN
7 Vladimir Andersen DEN
8 Mindaugas Barauskas LIT

Yes Rogg however Drue Reus is the best prospect there

I am missing the likes of Harju, Lukasiak, Tingstrom, Ostlund as well

How did Barauskus end up higher ranked than Dirty Harry

TheMalteseDart wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:24 pm How did Barauskus end up higher ranked than Dirty Harry

Dirty Harry is a good one as is Zukovs

Lots of talent in the region