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Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
by Rogg
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
by Randall
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:07 pm
by Tommo
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
I wonder what odds he got?

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
by The Thorn
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 am
by thegentle
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
Looool, Gando has always had bad games in him, he's lost games to worse players than Duzza on TV while putting some absolutely horrendous performances, if anything, he's the one 'top' player I would expect a performance like that from

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 am
by Captain Hobo
thegentle wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 am
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
Looool, Gando has always had bad games in him, he's lost games to worse players than Duzza on TV while putting some absolutely horrendous performances, if anything, he's the one 'top' player I would expect a performance like that from
Agree with this.

I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that if they play those Finals again, Duzza will play just as shit as he did on Thursday, but the others will play closer to their normal level.

It was a weird night of darts, they all seemed to drag each other down. Why everyone is assuming that Duzza is no longer capable of averaging over 90 is beyond me.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:48 am
by Randall
thegentle wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 am
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
Looool, Gando has always had bad games in him, he's lost games to worse players than Duzza on TV while putting some absolutely horrendous performances, if anything, he's the one 'top' player I would expect a performance like that from
Granted he has, everyone has
But 84 across 19 legs is alarming

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:49 am
by Randall
Tommo wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
I wonder what odds he got?
To offset the 250k very good ones

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:45 pm
by Rogg
The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
Impressive stuff. 1 in 100 you have decided. I was going to be a bit more generous than that but I don't want to now.

Glad to have proven that he should return the trophy with a note of apology.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:57 pm
by Rogg
Captain Hobo wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 am I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that if they play those Finals again, Duzza will play just as shit as he did on Thursday, but the others will play closer to their normal level.
I don't know where you read that. The scenario presented was obviously pure fantasy.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:05 pm
by Stran
Klaasen is a Twit

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:53 am
by Captain Hobo
Rogg wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:57 pm
Captain Hobo wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 am I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that if they play those Finals again, Duzza will play just as shit as he did on Thursday, but the others will play closer to their normal level.
I don't know where you read that. The scenario presented was obviously pure fantasy.
Well in that case, I say Duzza wins 50 times, 2001 John Walton wins 49 and Denis Ovens wins the other 1.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:51 am
by vizIIsto
The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
At least you admit Durrant was shit that night. Next up is admitting he's shit in general.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 am
by vizIIsto
Stran wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:05 pm Klaasen is a Twit
Not really controversial though is it?

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:02 am
by SuperSwede
The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
My instinct says between 2-3% of the time. Nearer 2.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:30 am
by sennafan24
The only recent PDC TV tournament I can find where the winner posted mediocre averages in both the semi finals and the final was the 2018 European Championship.

Wade averaged a shade under 94 in the semi final, and then 91 in the final. Very unimpressive averages for the business end of a tournament, but still better overall than what Dulla averaged in the PL playoffs last week.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:39 am
by Rogg
SuperSwede wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:02 am
The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
My instinct says between 2-3% of the time. Nearer 2.
Interesting. You're fractionally more optimistic than Thorn then =D

This could be applied to anybody of course. 'Player X' who played at his level in that schedule on Thursday.

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 am
by Rogg
sennafan24 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:30 am The only recent PDC TV tournament I can find where the winner posted mediocre averages in both the semi finals and the final was the 2018 European Championship.

Wade averaged a shade under 94 in the semi final, and then 91 in the final. Very unimpressive averages for the business end of a tournament, but still better overall than what Dulla averaged in the PL playoffs last week.
Hmm, that's a good likening. My beloved Hopp-Cullen final that never was.

We even (my memory) had Hoppo binning three match darts v Wade in that semi-final. :(

It just had to be Wade and Duzza who walked off with these cups, didn't it?

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:57 am
by oche balboa
Ladies darts is more popular then ever

Re: Share Your Controversial Darts Opinions

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:44 am
by finp180
Cross and Smith will never win the world cup together and they are both heavily overatted
Peter wright will never win another world championship
Ryan Searle, Robert Thornton and danny noppert will all get into the world quarters in december
dirk van duijvenbode will never do anything again