vizIIsto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:24 am
The only reason Durrant gets so much 'praise' and 'attention' is because everyone still hypes over his 'amazing' run at the World Matchplay over a year ago, where he won against Pisspot (who?), an MvG that was starting to lose form and everybody's favorite James Wade who had a big off-day, before losing hopelessly to Smith of all people.
If you'd analyze his other 'big' runs you'd see they were massive flukes. Even topping the PL table was a fluke.
Fucking nonsense. Durrant got to 3 other big major semis. No one apart from Taylor and MVG has ever topped the PL but apparently it's a fluke? All 15 nights were a fluke?
Yes. He shouldn't have won most of those matches. Only the matches in the first covid multi-session were impressive, the rest was below-par and his opponents wasted opportunities on him.
3 BDO titles mean virtually nothing in this era. The semis? 2019 Grand Slam was almost eliminated in group stage. 2019 WGP reached the semis while averaging low even for WGP standards and in the end lost as many sets as he won. 2020 WC run to the quarters the same thing but with legs. 2020 WM we all know how that ended up. Lucky runs aplenty.
Boring to watch on TV boring to watch on floor events and he's shit on the ProTour as well. Has also had a lot of early exits on TV tournaments for someone who is 'top 10'. Hope his age gets the better of him quickly.
I'm convinced you're taking the piss now. You can fluke one or two wins but not all those runs. "Shouldn't" have won them? Matters fuck all. Results are what count and it's pretty irrelevant who he beat on the way or how much he averaged. The ranking TV performance of Durrant in the last 12 or 18 months puts him in the top 8. Comparing him to White who's a well known bottler and a completely useless TV player is a joke.
Making valid points about White but because White is known to be terrible on TV it makes the comparison very shifted. Floor form also matters, might you know.
And ranking says far from all. Alan Norris was in the top 16 a few years back. Jelle Klaasen, Van de Pas, Huybrechts, even in their prime time and age didn't deserve to be as high as they were once rated. Oh, and another coincidence between all those players: they dropped off just as quickly as they rose to the scene.
vizIIsto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:24 am
The only reason Durrant gets so much 'praise' and 'attention' is because everyone still hypes over his 'amazing' run at the World Matchplay over a year ago, where he won against Pisspot (who?), an MvG that was starting to lose form and everybody's favorite James Wade who had a big off-day, before losing hopelessly to Smith of all people.
If you'd analyze his other 'big' runs you'd see they were massive flukes. Even topping the PL table was a fluke.
Fucking nonsense. Durrant got to 3 other big major semis. No one apart from Taylor and MVG has ever topped the PL but apparently it's a fluke? All 15 nights were a fluke?
Yes. He shouldn't have won most of those matches. Only the matches in the first covid multi-session were impressive, the rest was below-par and his opponents wasted opportunities on him.
3 BDO titles mean virtually nothing in this era. The semis? 2019 Grand Slam was almost eliminated in group stage. 2019 WGP reached the semis while averaging low even for WGP standards and in the end lost as many sets as he won. 2020 WC run to the quarters the same thing but with legs. 2020 WM we all know how that ended up. Lucky runs aplenty.
Boring to watch on TV boring to watch on floor events and he's shit on the ProTour as well. Has also had a lot of early exits on TV tournaments for someone who is 'top 10'. Hope his age gets the better of him quickly.
I'm convinced you're taking the piss now. You can fluke one or two wins but not all those runs. "Shouldn't" have won them? Matters fuck all. Results are what count and it's pretty irrelevant who he beat on the way or how much he averaged. The ranking TV performance of Durrant in the last 12 or 18 months puts him in the top 8. Comparing him to White who's a well known bottler and a completely useless TV player is a joke.
Making valid points about White but because White is known to be terrible on TV it makes the comparison very shifted. Floor form also matters, might you know.
And ranking says far from all. Alan Norris was in the top 16 a few years back. Jelle Klaasen, Van de Pas, Huybrechts, even in their prime time and age didn't deserve to be as high as they were once rated. Oh, and another coincidence between all those players: they dropped off just as quickly as they rose to the scene.
Exactly, White is terrible on TV, which makes the comparison pointless to begin with. Durrant's TV results in these 2 years mean more than all of White's Pro Tour wins.
No, these players were fairly rated as far as their performance in that period goes. All of them were clearly top 16 players at the time. Now it's true that they disappeared into oblivion quickly but that's another question. The jury is still out on Durrant, whether he can do this long term. Age doesn't favour him but I'd still give him 3-4 more good years at least.
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oche balboa wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:16 am
- I think he is a very good player, Perhaps not at the level of the top 3 but between 4-10 in the world
- Nope he clearly isnt (overrated)
You've just overrated him yourself.
No way should he be considered as high as 4th best in the world. MVG, Anderson, Wright, and Price are all clearly better than him.
between 4th-10th. 5th is handy
He's no more proven at the top level as Bully Smith. Neither have won a professional title.
Aspinall and Dimi have both won majors while he's been active in the PDC.
So 5th is very generous.
Not generous, it's ridiculous. He's in and around 10th and that is due to his consistency mainly. He loses to most players in the (what I would consider) top 32 if both play at their max in my opinion. Obviously consistency is a highly valuable commodity in this game though.
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I wouldn't really call him 'consistent'. His last few tournaments were pure garbage.
But then again I wouldn't really call anybody 'consistent' right now. Probably Ratajski and Wade are consistent, but even they have bad days.
That's not true Viz. Durrant is extremely consistent FFS. He barely plays garbage or extremely brilliant on TV. Unless you show me actual stats (e.g. the standard variation of Durrant's game compared to other elite players), I'll call bullshit on that one.
And I feel like this is why people underrate him a bit. Look at this statement:
SuperSwede wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:15 pm
He loses to most players in the (what I would consider) top 32 if both play at their max in my opinion.
It's nice and may be true but it matters fuck all. You claim Durrant is in and around 10th, yet the major results don't support that. The ranking TV results show he's comfortably top 6-8. And you can add the PL league stage win to that, 15 weeks against the best players in the world is a relatively big sample size in a year.
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vizIIsto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:23 pm
I wouldn't really call him 'consistent'. His last few tournaments were pure garbage.
But then again I wouldn't really call anybody 'consistent' right now. Probably Ratajski and Wade are consistent, but even they have bad days.
Of course he is consistent, what you seem to be looking for is a pre-programmed machine.
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The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:33 pm
And I feel like this is why people underrate him a bit. Look at this statement:
SuperSwede wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:15 pm
He loses to most players in the (what I would consider) top 32 if both play at their max in my opinion.
It's nice and may be true but it matters fuck all. You claim Durrant is in and around 10th, yet the major results don't support that. The ranking TV results show he's comfortably top 6-8. And you can add the PL league stage win to that, 15 weeks against the best players in the world is a relatively big sample size in a year.
The ranking TV results can be nuanced by the seedings and over what for him is still a small sample size meeting the right less consistent players at the right time. I think 8th is his glass ceiling personally.
PL argument is flawed this year, it wasn't 15 weeks, more like 7? and in strange and unique circumstances.
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Besides, a probably big factor in how he's performed in the PDC so far and especially how his opponents are performing against him is that he's being hyped by literally anyone that claims they have "knowledge about the sport".
If you'd have knowledge about the sport you'd surely know that his achievements in the BDO should be put in perspective because it's in the damn BDO.
The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:33 pm
That's not true Viz. Durrant is extremely consistent FFS. He barely plays garbage or extremely brilliant on TV. Unless you show me actual stats (e.g. the standard variation of Durrant's game compared to other elite players), I'll call bullshit on that one.
Consistency doesn't matter a thing. The results like you said are what count. And results aren't just how far someone got.
I might chance my mind if he goes on to win the PL but then still I'd have to see how he played.
I believe the table in the link is the one that matters and top trumps your tables.
He only scored 2 points in his last four matches, which were the last week of play, which also says a lot about his form.
Talking about form, the last time he got to a semi of any PDC tournament is the 2020 WM where he should have never won the QF ever. Oh, and the last time before that? 2019 Grand Slam.
Consistency may be true to some extent but there's nothing to support he can win stuff and get to the next level, just like (sorry for the comparison) White hasn't gotten past top 8 for years because of his TV curse.
The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:33 pm
That's not true Viz. Durrant is extremely consistent FFS. He barely plays garbage or extremely brilliant on TV. Unless you show me actual stats (e.g. the standard variation of Durrant's game compared to other elite players), I'll call bullshit on that one.
And I feel like this is why people underrate him a bit. Look at this statement:
SuperSwede wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:15 pm
He loses to most players in the (what I would consider) top 32 if both play at their max in my opinion.
It's nice and may be true but it matters fuck all. You claim Durrant is in and around 10th, yet the major results don't support that. The ranking TV results show he's comfortably top 6-8. And you can add the PL league stage win to that, 15 weeks against the best players in the world is a relatively big sample size in a year.
He isn't "comfortably top 6-8"
There are 4 players clearly better than him, and a good few more who are arguably better than him.
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HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 6:35 am
Okay, I stand corrected.
I believe the table in the link is the one that matters and top trumps your tables.
The table I posted confirms what we all know.
Duzza struggled when he played the top players. He was fortunate that the underperforming players didn't play well against him, but played well against the others players near the top of the table.
He was even lucky against the top players. Anderson and Wright both let him off the hook, for example.
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HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 6:35 am
Okay, I stand corrected.
sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:07 pm
Duzza struggled when he played the top players. He was fortunate that the underperforming players didn't play well against him, but played well against the others players near the top of the table.
He was even lucky against the top players. Anderson and Wright both let him off the hook, for example.
So you wouldn't consider MvG and Price were the top players because they didn't make the top four in the end, but Aspinall and Anderson were? Trying to understand both perspectives of this discussion.
The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:33 pm
That's not true Viz. Durrant is extremely consistent FFS. He barely plays garbage or extremely brilliant on TV. Unless you show me actual stats (e.g. the standard variation of Durrant's game compared to other elite players), I'll call bullshit on that one.
And I feel like this is why people underrate him a bit. Look at this statement:
SuperSwede wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:15 pm
He loses to most players in the (what I would consider) top 32 if both play at their max in my opinion.
It's nice and may be true but it matters fuck all. You claim Durrant is in and around 10th, yet the major results don't support that. The ranking TV results show he's comfortably top 6-8. And you can add the PL league stage win to that, 15 weeks against the best players in the world is a relatively big sample size in a year.
He isn't "comfortably top 6-8"
There are 4 players clearly better than him, and a good few more who are arguably better than him.
Indeed.
He'd be comfortably top 6-8 if he actually won one of those semis. But in the end he didn't really come close to winning any of them.
And he's definitely not "one for the future", that's also been said times aplenty.
