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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by LimpWrist » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:40 pm

The Thorn wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:56 pm Mario, Rafferty, Scutt and Szaganski deserve tour cards
Nobody "deserves" a tour card, mate. They're earned with blood, sweat and tears! (and a favourable draw...)

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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by The Thorn » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:41 pm

LimpWrist wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:40 pm
The Thorn wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:56 pm Mario, Rafferty, Scutt and Szaganski deserve tour cards
Nobody "deserves" a tour card, mate. They're earned with blood, sweat and tears! (and a favourable draw...)
You know what I meant bud

They are good enough to play on tour and I think the system could be improved
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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by LimpWrist » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:49 pm

The Thorn wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:41 pm
LimpWrist wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:40 pm
The Thorn wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:56 pm Mario, Rafferty, Scutt and Szaganski deserve tour cards
Nobody "deserves" a tour card, mate. They're earned with blood, sweat and tears! (and a favourable draw...)
You know what I meant bud

They are good enough to play on tour and I think the system could be improved
The Thorn wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:41 pm
LimpWrist wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:40 pm
The Thorn wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:56 pm Mario, Rafferty, Scutt and Szaganski deserve tour cards
Nobody "deserves" a tour card, mate. They're earned with blood, sweat and tears! (and a favourable draw...)
You know what I meant bud

They are good enough to play on tour and I think the system could be improved
I was being a tad facetious but agree that Scutt and Szaganksi can do bits.

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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by 1205 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:54 am

CardName20222023TotalIn WC
UKJosh Rock129195.5324.5
EURicardo Pietreczko23134.25157.25Yes
CTJim Williams68.2569.5137.75Yes
CTMatt Campbell47.7565.5113.25Yes
EURowby-John Rodriguez82.7528.75111.5
UKCameron Menzies47.7546.7594.5
UKMickey ManselL44.2549.2593.5
EUKevin Doets24.55983.5
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EUMario Vandenbogaerde20.2554.7575
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EURadek Szaganski16.557.574
UKConnor Scutt19.550.7570.25
UKNathan Rafferty45.7523.569.25
EUDanny Jansen48.251159.25
UKScott Waites26.7522.7549.5
UKRichie Burnett2226.548.5
UKJohn O'Shea36.511.2547.75
EUJules van Dongen8.7537.2546
UKTed Evetts2221.543.5
DTRusty-Jake Rodriguez17.2524.541.75
EUKrzysztof Kciuk182240
UKGeorge Killington15.2523.2538.5
EUBrian Raman17.519.2536.75
EUJimmy Hendriks2610.536.5
DTBradley Brooks11.2524.535.75
EUJose Justicia2312.535.5
UKJames Wilson1513.7528.75
UKRoss Montgomery9.7515.525.25
EUTony Martinez11.2512.2523.5
UKDarren Webster6.51622.5
UKShaun Wilkinson14.757.7522.5
EUDamian Mol12.25921.25
EULuc Peters135.518.5
UKKevin Burness10.256.516.75
UKJamie Clark11516
UKNick Fullwell7.25310.25
EUVladimir Andersen27.59.5
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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by thegentle » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:49 am

1205 wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:54 am
CardName20222023TotalIn WC
UKJosh Rock129195.5324.5
EURicardo Pietreczko23134.25157.25Yes
CTJim Williams68.2569.5137.75Yes
CTMatt Campbell47.7565.5113.25Yes
EURowby-John Rodriguez82.7528.75111.5
UKCameron Menzies47.7546.7594.5
UKMickey ManselL44.2549.2593.5
EUKevin Doets24.55983.5
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EUMario Vandenbogaerde20.2554.7575
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EURadek Szaganski16.557.574
UKConnor Scutt19.550.7570.25
UKNathan Rafferty45.7523.569.25
EUDanny Jansen48.251159.25
UKScott Waites26.7522.7549.5
UKRichie Burnett2226.548.5
UKJohn O'Shea36.511.2547.75
EUJules van Dongen8.7537.2546
UKTed Evetts2221.543.5
DTRusty-Jake Rodriguez17.2524.541.75
EUKrzysztof Kciuk182240
UKGeorge Killington15.2523.2538.5
EUBrian Raman17.519.2536.75
EUJimmy Hendriks2610.536.5
DTBradley Brooks11.2524.535.75
EUJose Justicia2312.535.5
UKJames Wilson1513.7528.75
UKRoss Montgomery9.7515.525.25
EUTony Martinez11.2512.2523.5
UKDarren Webster6.51622.5
UKShaun Wilkinson14.757.7522.5
EUDamian Mol12.25921.25
EULuc Peters135.518.5
UKKevin Burness10.256.516.75
UKJamie Clark11516
UKNick Fullwell7.25310.25
EUVladimir Andersen27.59.5
Excellent work yet again 1205! Seems if you get £25k ish in year 1 you give yourself a decent chance of retaining your card, anything less and you'll need a big year. Let's say £80k will be the target again, Lee Evans and Slevin are on target for that, there is hope for the likes of Kuivenhoven, Burton and Klose who have been decent in the second half of the season, Brown and de Zwaan are in the same sort of position on paper but they have been in terrible form over the second half of the season after a bright start to 2023
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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by Potter's Lake » Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:09 am

https://www.statista.com/statistics/416 ... by-region/

To be considered a professional dart player you have to earn just over the UK average wage. That seems reasonable, earn your own living etc.
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Post by thegentle » Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:46 am

Potter's Lake wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:09 am https://www.statista.com/statistics/416 ... by-region/

To be considered a professional dart player you have to earn just over the UK average wage. That seems reasonable, earn your own living etc.
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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by 1205 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:34 am

thegentle wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:49 am Excellent work yet again 1205! Seems if you get £25k ish in year 1 you give yourself a decent chance of retaining your card, anything less and you'll need a big year. Let's say £80k will be the target again, Lee Evans and Slevin are on target for that, there is hope for the likes of Kuivenhoven, Burton and Klose who have been decent in the second half of the season, Brown and de Zwaan are in the same sort of position on paper but they have been in terrible form over the second half of the season after a bright start to 2023
I think you want 30. 55k is about 40th, while 50k is more high 40s year to date.
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Post by thegentle » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:59 am

1205 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:34 am
thegentle wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:49 am Excellent work yet again 1205! Seems if you get £25k ish in year 1 you give yourself a decent chance of retaining your card, anything less and you'll need a big year. Let's say £80k will be the target again, Lee Evans and Slevin are on target for that, there is hope for the likes of Kuivenhoven, Burton and Klose who have been decent in the second half of the season, Brown and de Zwaan are in the same sort of position on paper but they have been in terrible form over the second half of the season after a bright start to 2023
I think you want 30. 55k is about 40th, while 50k is more high 40s year to date.
Doets and Pietreczko managed to keep their cards having earned just less than £25k in 2022 (Pietreczko very easily in the end), Mario would have needed £23.5k (that's if he's not going to be reprieved) Scutt would have needed £27.5k. With Szaganski unfortunately only making £16.5k in year 1, £20.75k would have been enough for him to keep his card...
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Re: 2022 Q-School

Post by 1205 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:35 am

thegentle wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:59 am
1205 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:34 am
thegentle wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:49 am Excellent work yet again 1205! Seems if you get £25k ish in year 1 you give yourself a decent chance of retaining your card, anything less and you'll need a big year. Let's say £80k will be the target again, Lee Evans and Slevin are on target for that, there is hope for the likes of Kuivenhoven, Burton and Klose who have been decent in the second half of the season, Brown and de Zwaan are in the same sort of position on paper but they have been in terrible form over the second half of the season after a bright start to 2023
I think you want 30. 55k is about 40th, while 50k is more high 40s year to date.
Doets and Pietreczko managed to keep their cards having earned just less than £25k in 2022 (Pietreczko very easily in the end), Mario would have needed £23.5k (that's if he's not going to be reprieved) Scutt would have needed £27.5k. With Szaganski unfortunately only making £16.5k in year 1, £20.5k would have been enough for him to keep his card...
Actually, with the worlds (dartsrankings was unavailable for a while), 55k is currently 48th. But I still think it's not that easy.

32nd on Pro Tour was 24.25
7.5 WC 1st round
2.5 PCF 1st round
10 WC 1st round win
2.5 UK Open last 64
That's 46.75.

So a player has to play decently, and win a game at the Worlds, but still has to find something above that for 50k. Need 55k then makes that job harder.
Doets reached a PC final, the 5th round of the UK Open and 2nd round of the PC Finals. That added an extra 13k to the above and he earned 59k for the year.

Just that extra 5k in the first year makes a big difference as a PC semi-final or Grand Slam qualification added to the above would be enough.
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Post by thegentle » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:49 am

1205 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:35 am
thegentle wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:59 am
1205 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:34 am
thegentle wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:49 am Excellent work yet again 1205! Seems if you get £25k ish in year 1 you give yourself a decent chance of retaining your card, anything less and you'll need a big year. Let's say £80k will be the target again, Lee Evans and Slevin are on target for that, there is hope for the likes of Kuivenhoven, Burton and Klose who have been decent in the second half of the season, Brown and de Zwaan are in the same sort of position on paper but they have been in terrible form over the second half of the season after a bright start to 2023
I think you want 30. 55k is about 40th, while 50k is more high 40s year to date.
Doets and Pietreczko managed to keep their cards having earned just less than £25k in 2022 (Pietreczko very easily in the end), Mario would have needed £23.5k (that's if he's not going to be reprieved) Scutt would have needed £27.5k. With Szaganski unfortunately only making £16.5k in year 1, £20.5k would have been enough for him to keep his card...
Actually, with the worlds (dartsrankings was unavailable for a while), 55k is currently 48th. But I still think it's not that easy.

32nd on Pro Tour was 24.25
7.5 WC 1st round
2.5 PCF 1st round
10 WC 1st round win
2.5 UK Open last 64
That's 46.75.

So a player has to play decently, and win a game at the Worlds, but still has to find something above that for 50k. Need 55k then makes that job harder.
Doets reached a PC final, the 5th round of the UK Open and 2nd round of the PC Finals. That added an extra 13k to the above and he earned 59k for the year.

Just that extra 5k in the first year makes a big difference as a PC semi-final or Grand Slam qualification added to the above would be enough.
Just a slight correction, a Worlds first round win is worth £7.5k, winning the second round is worth an extra £10k. Clearly there's no set figure to aim for in year 1 with players developing at different rates (and of course with the possibility of players dropping off tour, it looks like at least one of Lennon ans Mario will be saved, and Beaton will save one lucky jobber next year), but I think someone like Klose (and to a lesser extent Burton even though he's been on the tour before), in his first year on tour has done pretty well to reach the Players Championship Finals and bank £26k, he'll hope with a year's experience under his belt he can go a little better and keep his card. It's not Kuivenhoven's first rodeo, he has experience of dragging himself back from an under par first year, unfortunately Jeffrey hasn't shown anything more than flashes for a few years now, I do wonder if we'll ever see the same guy who thrilled on his Matchplay debut. Brown halfway through this year I thought would be A-OK, he was good in 2022 too so I thought it was business as usual, but he's fallen off a cliff
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Post by thegentle » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:00 am

But it is a pretty relentless grind, £45k looks good for Lee Evans, but he got £7.5k of that for beating a relative nobody at the Worlds, for which he only qualified for by a few grand in the first place. If he gets a bitch of a first round draw next year he could well be in trouble, let alone if he fails to make it (even by the barest of all margins). As good as they can be, I think even the likes of Ricky Evans and Scott Williams (44th and 45th for the year so far on £58k and £57.75k respectively) won't be taking their places on tour for granted considering how difficult they've found it at times this year
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daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:42 pm
ILAD wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:40 pm
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:39 pm
ILAD wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:36 pm
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:35 pm

Thanks but all the same im not one for getting out the begging bowl
Fair do’s you never have, your still a prick though. Lol
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Post by HalloweenJack » Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:20 pm

Cooking with Sanchez wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:03 am
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:42 pm
ILAD wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:40 pm
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:39 pm
ILAD wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:36 pm

Fair do’s you never have, your still a prick though. Lol
Takes one to know one fella
Yep, I’m extremely sure if we ever met we would get on.
Even after I knock you're teeth down you're throat and dump you in a skip?
Seems aggressive.
Didn’t ILAD pass your number( or offer ) to DBG and that is why he was banned?
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daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:35 pm
ILAD wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:31 pm I’d rather give my coin to DBG, he’s a slightly lesser cunt than this fucker.
Thanks but all the same im not one for getting out the begging bowl
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Post by Greipel » Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:54 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:20 pm
Cooking with Sanchez wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:03 am
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:42 pm
ILAD wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:40 pm
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:39 pm

Takes one to know one fella
Yep, I’m extremely sure if we ever met we would get on.
Even after I knock you're teeth down you're throat and dump you in a skip?
Seems aggressive.
Didn’t ILAD pass your number( or offer ) to DBG and that is why he was banned?
Sucking up to and defending IFAG is the lowest from the English Trans Maniac I have ever seen.
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Post by Ross, Bob » Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:55 pm

Greipel wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:54 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:20 pm
Cooking with Sanchez wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:03 am
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:42 pm
ILAD wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:40 pm

Yep, I’m extremely sure if we ever met we would get on.
Even after I knock you're teeth down you're throat and dump you in a skip?
Seems aggressive.
Didn’t ILAD pass your number( or offer ) to DBG and that is why he was banned?
Sucking up to and defending IFAG is the lowest from the English Trans Maniac I have ever seen.
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Post by Cooking with Sandra » Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:59 pm

Sad to see that Greipel has resorted to lying.
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Ross, Bob wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:55 pm
Greipel wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:54 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:20 pm
Cooking with Sanchez wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:03 am
daveboygreen wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:42 pm

Even after I knock you're teeth down you're throat and dump you in a skip?
Seems aggressive.
Didn’t ILAD pass your number( or offer ) to DBG and that is why he was banned?
Sucking up to and defending IFAG is the lowest from the English Trans Maniac I have ever seen.
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