Is Michael van Gerwen finished?

[Rogg]

It truly is
Utterly clueless

Old achievements get dismissed far too casually a lot of the time by young folks.

On the other hand, us old cunts are often guilty of doing the opposite - dismissing new achievements - and that's no better.

Or measuring new achievements accurately

It is difficult for sure. I don't know how to do it. The key probably is to analyse everything with a light touch and not be extreme about it, unless for a giggle.

Deller's 83 title is mentioned on here now and again. Have you ever sneered about Deller's achievement by bringing up pomp Doug? I'd imagine not. But it's the first thing you'll do when we get a new champ in a few weeks, regardless of who it is and how they played. Let's not call this fair.

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

You just refuse, don't you? Determined to protect your favourite era from Taylor's future atrocities. Fair enough.

[sennafan24]

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

[Randall]

Old achievements get dismissed far too casually a lot of the time by young folks.

On the other hand, us old cunts are often guilty of doing the opposite - dismissing new achievements - and that's no better.

Or measuring new achievements accurately

It is difficult for sure. I don't know how to do it. The key probably is to analyse everything with a light touch and not be extreme about it, unless for a giggle.

Deller's 83 title is mentioned on here now and again. Have you ever sneered about Deller's achievement by bringing up pomp Doug? I'd imagine not. But it's the first thing you'll do when we get a new champ in a few weeks, regardless of who it is and how they played. Let's not call this fair.

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

You just refuse, don't you? Determined to protect your favourite era from Taylor's future atrocities. Fair enough.

I don't need Taylor as a reference point for 83
Yes any incarnation of Taylor would have destroyed him

[sennafan24]

Taylor was lucky that Adams was in the BDO in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

[Randall]

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

I wouldn't disagree

[The Thorn]

Bottom line, Taylor is a sexual abuser

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[tungsten tossers]

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

" not on these toy boards "

[Randall]

Taylor was lucky that Adams was in the BDO in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

Darts fans were

[The Ginge Reaper]

Oh
I've misremembered that apparently
I remember the 2 semi finals

I remember watching the 2002 game live on Sky Sports.

I really wanted Lowe to win.

Have that on dvd somewhere

An illegal Basgooner special?

[Rogg]

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

I wouldn't disagree

I'm sure there are several pre-split world champions who didn't beat Bristow or Taylor along the way, nor did they beat any player who is now widely regarded as the top few of all-time. Does this reduce the value of their title for you?

[sennafan24]

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

I wouldn't disagree

I'm sure there are several pre-split world champions who didn't beat Bristow or Taylor along the way, nor did they beat any player who is now widely regarded as the top few of all-time. Does this reduce the value of their title for you?

I've just checked, and it does appear that every champion in the 80s beat Bristow or Lowe on their way to the title, or were Bristow or Lowe.

[Rogg]

Or measuring new achievements accurately

It is difficult for sure. I don't know how to do it. The key probably is to analyse everything with a light touch and not be extreme about it, unless for a giggle.

Deller's 83 title is mentioned on here now and again. Have you ever sneered about Deller's achievement by bringing up pomp Doug? I'd imagine not. But it's the first thing you'll do when we get a new champ in a few weeks, regardless of who it is and how they played. Let's not call this fair.

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

You just refuse, don't you? Determined to protect your favourite era from Taylor's future atrocities. Fair enough.

I don't need Taylor as a reference point for 83
Yes any incarnation of Taylor would have destroyed him

That you always like to shift Taylor forwards in time, which is a fantasy scenario, but are so reluctant to shift him backwards in time, which is a fantasy scenario, is hilarious.
But yes, indeed. The milkybar kid is getting a slicing.

[sennafan24]

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

I wouldn't disagree

I'm sure there are several pre-split world champions who didn't beat Bristow or Taylor along the way, nor did they beat any player who is now widely regarded as the top few of all-time. Does this reduce the value of their title for you?

I've just checked, and it does appear that every champion in the 80s beat Bristow or Lowe on their way to the title, or were Bristow or Lowe.

Extend this to the pre-split 1990s Lakesides too.

Taylor beat Bristow in 1990.

Priestley beat Bristow and Taylor in 1991.

Taylor beat Lowe in 1992.

Lowe won in 1993.

[sennafan24]

"If you shifted Mike Gregory back to the 80s, he would have dominated" - Halloween Jack

[Randall]

Oh
I've misremembered that apparently
I remember the 2 semi finals

I remember watching the 2002 game live on Sky Sports.

I really wanted Lowe to win.

Have that on dvd somewhere

An illegal Basgooner special?

Quite possibly

[Rogg]

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

I wouldn't disagree

I'm sure there are several pre-split world champions who didn't beat Bristow or Taylor along the way, nor did they beat any player who is now widely regarded as the top few of all-time. Does this reduce the value of their title for you?

I've just checked, and it does appear that every champion in the 80s beat Bristow or Lowe on their way to the title, or were Bristow or Lowe.

Extend this to the pre-split 1990s Lakesides too.

Taylor beat Bristow in 1990.

Priestley beat Bristow and Taylor in 1991.

Taylor beat Lowe in 1992.

Lowe won in 1993.

That's fun nobody knew about that.

I wonder what is the least glittery looking route to a world title. In terms of the opponents' names on paper rather than averages. Surely the vast majority have needed to beat at least one player who is conventionally regarded as all-time top 10 or so.

[The Thorn]

Some people need to get out more

[Rogg]

But there's people out there.

[Randall]

Dellar beat the greatest player off all time at that stage to win
Needs no defence

If a player beats Van Goblin in the 2023 Worlds, and the game is played at a high standard, then their achievement will equal that of Deller's.

I wouldn't disagree

I'm sure there are several pre-split world champions who didn't beat Bristow or Taylor along the way, nor did they beat any player who is now widely regarded as the top few of all-time. Does this reduce the value of their title for you?

You'd have to go post split
Every world champion beat Lowe or Bristol or was them

[sennafan24]

I wonder what is the least glittery looking route to a world title. In terms of the opponents' names on paper rather than averages. Surely the vast majority have needed to beat at least one player who is conventionally regarded as all-time top 10 or so.

If they count, Neil Duff or Wayne Warren.