Oh oh.

[micko]

your both missing the point somewhat i think.

not for the first time

Hey Oche, Randall just posted a link in the interesting article thread that would explain a lot about yourself.

Thank me later.

[Justin Credible]

injured serving his country, been an example of bravery ever since, charity work etc despite his own massive problems.
of all the people in the world to despise or insult i would think he would be someway down most peoples lists!

This I have to agree with. It's the courage he's shown since his horricic injuries that make him a hero, not what he did or didn't do during the Falklands conflict.

thats pretty much what i was alluding too.

anybody fighting for their country and putting it all on the line is by definition heroic i would have thought, gaz's dad included.

My father is a brave man, and was only 16 at the time he was in africa, however like any soldier around the world i dont believe he should have been in another country where he did not belong.

I have had many a chat with him regarding the army and many things and its not something we both agree on, but he himself would and has agreed that just going where you are sent and getting killed / injured does not make you a hero.

[micko]

injured serving his country, been an example of bravery ever since, charity work etc despite his own massive problems.
of all the people in the world to despise or insult i would think he would be someway down most peoples lists!

This I have to agree with. It's the courage he's shown since his horricic injuries that make him a hero, not what he did or didn't do during the Falklands conflict.

thats pretty much what i was alluding too.

anybody fighting for their country and putting it all on the line is by definition heroic i would have thought, gaz's dad included.

My father is a brave man, and was only 16 at the time he was in africa, however like any soldier around the world i dont believe he should have been in another country where he did not belong.

I have had many a chat with him regarding the army and many things and its not something we both agree on, but he himself would and has agreed that just going where you are sent and getting killed / injured does not make you a hero.

All joking aside Gaz, the Irish troops were there through the UN to protect the civilian popoulation from the warring factions.
A big difference from soldiers going to protect their country's colonial posessions.

[Randall]

i would disagree with you and your father gaz.

several british ships were sunk in the falklands and lives lost, anybody serving on the ships showed bravery.

its inevitable that the ones who died, colonel h etc or the seriously wounded like weston will receive the larger share of plaudits but it doesnt diminish anyones bravery because they were lucky enough to get home uninjured.

[Justin Credible]

My issue is that unlike the misfortunates in the world wars who were conscripted, the soldiers that died in the falklands garner fuckall sympathy of me.
The joined the army/navy etc of their OWN accord and got killed, thats the risk you take when you join the military so NO it dont qualify you for hero status when you die in a place you have mno business being in.

As micko pointed out the UN is different scenario, but still you risk the option of getting killed.

My advice is if you dont want to die in some military conflict, attack bomb blast it might be prudent not to join the military

[Randall]

colonel h died a hero's death by any measure you want to put to it.

[micko]

[Randall]

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/vc.htm

can't see why it matters what field they fell in.

belgium, normondy or falklands.

[Oche Balboa]

In your dreams

[Justin Credible]

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/vc.htm

can't see why it matters what field they fell in.

belgium, normondy or falklands.

A big difference, those in belgium and normandy were conscripted men forced into that situation.
Those in the falklands were in the military by THEIR OWN CHOICE

[Randall]

doesnt make their actions in the field any less brave or their deaths any less heroic.

[Justin Credible]

doesnt make their actions in the field any less brave or their deaths any less heroic.

yes it does, for a start those conscripted men fought in a world war, those in the falklands were only out there for colonial reasons and self interest

[Randall]

what about the millions of men who signed up for world war one voluntarily without conscription?

was that their own fault?

your logic seems flawed to me mate, a conscripted man killed in normandy on june 6th 1944 was an hero, a professional solider killed on the same beach was an idiot?

[Justin Credible]

I never said those that died in world wars were heroes, but i felt more sympathy for them.