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Paul Engelbertink from the NDF is going to make a statement this afternoon about the Dutch team for the next tournament. The 4 nations 13-14 April.

ChrisW wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:49 pm

ChrisW wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:54 pm

Cooking with Sanchez wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:30 am Hopefully they’re banned from all future events. No room for bigotry in society.

In both codes?

You said they should be banned. From the women's series or WDF events or both?

Cws?

ChrisW wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:53 am Paul Engelbertink from the NDF is going to make a statement this afternoon about the Dutch team for the next tournament. The 4 nations 13-14 April.

My guess is they will tell Anca & Aileen that they accept it and will keep Noa in the squad

Losing Aileen will be a big hit. But Anca is seriously out of form and getting Roos van der Velde and Desiree Geel in will be very good for their chances.

Anca is shite and de Graaf hasn't improved at the same pace as Fallon, Beau, Noa, Katie Sheldon et al. No loss.

I wish all the best to the Dutch team

I was just looking at last year's squad for the four nations. They weren't even in the squad.

Ladies

Aletta Wajer
Priscilla Steenbergen
Noa-Lynn van Leuven
Desiree Geel

Statement published from the Dutch Darts Association (NDB):

Aileen de Graaf and Anca Zijlstra informed the Dutch Darts Association on Friday evening that they are leaving the Dutch selection. The reason for this was that they did not want to play in one Dutch team with a transgender person. The NDB regrets this decision by Aileen and Anca.

The NDB adopted a Gender and Sex Diverse Persons Guideline in the General Members Meeting of July 10, 2021. With this, the NDB follows the NOC*NSF Gender and Sex Diverse Persons Guideline. In addition, the NDB's Gender and Sex Diverse Persons Guideline is in line with the Transgender Athlete Policy of the World Darts Federation (WDF).

We are aware that Noa-Lynn van Leuven has transitioned from male to female and her gender identity is female. In addition, it meets all other requirements. According to the Gender and Sex Diverse Persons Directive, she is therefore eligible to play in the women's category.

The NDB understands that people may have different opinions about this, but we follow the rules and guidelines that have been drawn up. In addition, we stand for a dart sport where everyone feels at home and everyone can participate. We think it is important that 100% of the people feel welcome at the NDB in a socially safe, healthy and inclusive sports environment. It does not matter what your origin, political preference, gender, sexual orientation, race or religion is.

We would like to thank Aileen and Anca for their many years of dedication to the Netherlands team.

As predicted (well it was obvious)

Well done the NDB.

ChrisW wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:12 am I was just looking at last year's squad for the four nations. They weren't even in the squad.

Ladies

Aletta Wajer
Priscilla Steenbergen
Noa-Lynn van Leuven
Desiree Geel

Maybe they quietly declined last year, and decided to get more vocal this year.

Everyone can participate
Well apart from the lady excluded so a man can play
Welcome to 2024

Randall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:28 pm Everyone can participate
Well apart from the lady excluded so a man can play
Welcome to 2024

Indeed. Its a hypocritical statement

oche balboa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:00 pm

Randall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:28 pm Everyone can participate
Well apart from the lady excluded so a man can play
Welcome to 2024

Indeed. Its a hypocritical statement

Of course it is
Women's rights don't matter

Randall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:28 pm Everyone can participate
Well apart from the lady excluded so a man can play
Welcome to 2024

Who has been excluded so a man can play? That's terrible if true.

'Damned if you do, damned if you don't' - sportswomen on trans debate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/68564019

2. How comfortable do you feel about transgender athletes competing in female categories in your sport?

Very comfortable: 6

Comfortable: 5

Neutral: 21

Uncomfortable: 45

Very uncomfortable: 59

Not applicable/don't wish to answer: 5

Did not answer: 2

23. How comfortable would you feel speaking publicly on the topic of transgender athletes competing in female categories in your sport?

Very comfortable: 6

Comfortable: 13

Neutral: 21

Uncomfortable: 50

Very uncomfortable: 46

Not applicable/don't wish to answer: 6

Did not answer: 1


Interesting stuff.

Cooking with Sanchez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:49 pm

Randall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:28 pm Everyone can participate
Well apart from the lady excluded so a man can play
Welcome to 2024

Who has been excluded so a man can play? That's terrible if true.

The next highest ranked lady that would have been selected had they not picked a man
This isn't fucking brain surgery

oche balboa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:49 pm 2. How comfortable do you feel about transgender athletes competing in female categories in your sport?

Very comfortable: 6

Comfortable: 5

Neutral: 21

Uncomfortable: 45

Very uncomfortable: 59

Not applicable/don't wish to answer: 5

Did not answer: 2

23. How comfortable would you feel speaking publicly on the topic of transgender athletes competing in female categories in your sport?

Very comfortable: 6

Comfortable: 13

Neutral: 21

Uncomfortable: 50

Very uncomfortable: 46

Not applicable/don't wish to answer: 6

Did not answer: 1


Interesting stuff.

This should be a shock to nobody