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Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:24 am
by ChrisW
Randall wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:20 am
ChrisW wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:13 am Electric shock therapy would sort it.
Banning tiktok would be a start
I never look or use it. Is it that bad.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:28 am
by Randall
ChrisW wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:24 am
Randall wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:20 am
ChrisW wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:13 am Electric shock therapy would sort it.
Banning tiktok would be a start
I never look or use it. Is it that bad.
I only briefly looked at it for maybe a month
Some very extreme positions being passed off as acceptable behaviour on both sides.
Lord help Impressionable minds of this generation. The Internet is great but its so open to abuses.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:45 am
by meetthefeebles
Captain Hobo wrote:
Randall wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:39 am There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.
Where does that start with people who say there are only 2 genders and refer to trans women as men?

That would be a very short debate.
Conversely, how much of a debate can you have with those adamant that genetic biology can be ignored and that sex/gender is a malleable concept?

Unfortunately, we live in a world where everyone's position has to be distilled into three or four sentences. This issue can't be, at least not sensibly.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:48 am
by meetthefeebles
Greipel wrote:
Ross, Bob wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:02 am
Greipel wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:14 am Image
Is that an actual book or a photoshop?
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978191697500 ... 975003/plp
Sorry, but that is actually mental. The amount of doublethink required to come up with something like that is off the charts.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:49 am
by meetthefeebles
Randall wrote:
Captain Hobo wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:05 am
Randall wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:39 am There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.
Where does that start with people who say there are only 2 genders and refer to trans women as men?

That would be a very short debate.
There are 2 sexes, that's unarguable
Gender identity you can believe you are male or female, even though personally it seems more like a mental illness to me.I don't entertain people who think they are horses etc
How you define trans people is relevant to the discussion at hand for me. I work with a man who chooses to identity as a women. They are living their own life and affecting nobody. I'm quite happy to use their preferred pronoun and their chosen female name.
In the case of biological males that are choosing to take women's places in society, unfairly in my opinion, in that context I will say he is competing against she etc as its the defining point in the discussion.
+1

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:52 am
by Randall
meetthefeebles wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:48 am
Greipel wrote:
Ross, Bob wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:02 am
Greipel wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:14 am Image
Is that an actual book or a photoshop?
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978191697500 ... 975003/plp
Sorry, but that is actually mental. The amount of doublethink required to come up with something like that is off the charts.
It's just something else to devalue women in society
Whether it's a bi product of the trans movement or a goal its very much taking place.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:04 am
by Rogg
Humanity is getting redirected, that's for sure.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:05 am
by Randall
meetthefeebles wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:49 am
Randall wrote:
Captain Hobo wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:05 am
Randall wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 7:39 am There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.
Where does that start with people who say there are only 2 genders and refer to trans women as men?

That would be a very short debate.
There are 2 sexes, that's unarguable
Gender identity you can believe you are male or female, even though personally it seems more like a mental illness to me.I don't entertain people who think they are horses etc
How you define trans people is relevant to the discussion at hand for me. I work with a man who chooses to identity as a women. They are living their own life and affecting nobody. I'm quite happy to use their preferred pronoun and their chosen female name.
In the case of biological males that are choosing to take women's places in society, unfairly in my opinion, in that context I will say he is competing against she etc as its the defining point in the discussion.
+1
I personally know 1 lady who would regard this as hate speech. She is nuts :lol:
It's pretty sad that you can't even have a rational conversation with some groups without the "transphobic" bs bandied about.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:08 am
by Randall
Rogg wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:04 am Humanity is getting redirected, that's for sure.
And not for the better :lol:

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:18 am
by oche balboa
Malanax wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:01 am really fucking weird the hatred people can summon for it when it doesnt actually affect their day to day lives at all.

every facebook post full of bald 40 odd year old men with a car or motorbike as their cover photo absolutely seething at any mention of noa.
I love this comment. As it does effect a lot of woman in different sports

At the end of the day the bit in bold is code for "Stop talking about it"

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:18 am
by oche balboa
Oh and Randall is bang on about this and he hasn't been "Hateful"

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:23 am
by Randall
oche balboa wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:18 am
Malanax wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:01 am really fucking weird the hatred people can summon for it when it doesnt actually affect their day to day lives at all.

every facebook post full of bald 40 odd year old men with a car or motorbike as their cover photo absolutely seething at any mention of noa.
I love this comment. As it does effect a lot of woman in different sports

At the end of the day the bit in bold is code for "Stop talking about it"
And women in society at large
They have to find away to support one group without penalising another.
Shouting and name calling from either side isn't the answer.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:23 am
by Randall
oche balboa wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:18 am Oh and Randall is bang on about this and he hasn't been "Hateful"
And consistent

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:31 am
by Ross, Bob
Randall wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:23 am
oche balboa wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:18 am Oh and Randall is bang on about this and he hasn't been "Hateful"
And consistent
And a cunt. You're the complete package mate.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:34 am
by Ross, Bob
meetthefeebles wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:48 am
Greipel wrote:
Ross, Bob wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:02 am
Greipel wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:14 am Image
Is that an actual book or a photoshop?
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978191697500 ... 975003/plp
Sorry, but that is actually mental. The amount of doublethink required to come up with something like that is off the charts.
The irony of it: most of the cunts who have an issue with these kind of publications, brainwash their children in other ways, with Bibles, Qur'ans etc.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:38 am
by Randall
Ross, Bob wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:31 am
Randall wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:23 am
oche balboa wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:18 am Oh and Randall is bang on about this and he hasn't been "Hateful"
And consistent
And a cunt. You're the complete package mate.
I try my best mate

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:03 pm
by meetthefeebles
Ross, Bob wrote:
meetthefeebles wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:48 am
Greipel wrote:
Ross, Bob wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:02 am
Greipel wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:14 am Image
Is that an actual book or a photoshop?
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978191697500 ... 975003/plp
Sorry, but that is actually mental. The amount of doublethink required to come up with something like that is off the charts.
The irony of it: most of the cunts who have an issue with these kind of publications, brainwash their children in other ways, with Bibles, Qur'ans etc.
There are a lot of very, very confused people the world.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:25 pm
by Cooking with Sanchez
Malanax wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:01 am really fucking weird the hatred people can summon for it when it doesnt actually affect their day to day lives at all.

every facebook post full of bald 40 odd year old men with a car or motorbike as their cover photo absolutely seething at any mention of noa.
Gammons gonna gammon, sadly.

Coupled with the fact that your average darts fan is extremely thick, it’s a minefield out there.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:58 pm
by Potter's Lake
The attention it's garnered is definitely wild. The infamous tweet has plateaued at 17.7 million views, and the Deta thread on here has almost treble the views of the next highest thread.

Re: De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:02 pm
by ChrisW
Potter's Lake wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:58 pm The attention it's garnered is definitely wild. The infamous tweet has plateaued at 17.7 million views, and the Deta thread on here has almost treble the views of the next highest thread.
I had not noticed that. Over 5 million views. Insane.