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The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:41 pm
by The Thorn
Good thread Senna
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:47 pm
by sennafan24
The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:41 pm
Good thread Senna
Thanks for posting that video.
I was going to have a look for it later.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:52 pm
by meetthefeebles
I'm not sure there is a great deal left to add. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see what has been happening - Christ, just whack an old episode of bullseye or one of the world title games (in either code) from the 1980s or 1990s from YouTube and the difference in trebles especially is obvious.
Each time they introduce a new 'HD' board, the field average increases and the top sixteen or so players 'improve' markedly.
The only real question for those still interested is just how much of a difference it makes.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:54 pm
by PT13
Also, in addition to the boards, there's the fact that starting with Phil Taylor and the "Uniboffin" in 2008, when Taylor's form went through the roof, there has also been an increasing focus scientifically on the darts missiles themselves.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:55 pm
by sennafan24
meetthefeebles wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:52 pmI'm not sure there is a great deal left to add. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see what has been happening - Christ, just whack an old episode of bullseye or one of the world title games (in either code) from the 1980s or 1990s from YouTube and the difference in trebles especially is obvious.
Each time they introduce a new 'HD' board, the field average increases and the top sixteen or so players 'improve' markedly.
The only real question for those still interested is just how much of a difference it makes.
I can tell you are new to this forum
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
meetthefeebles wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:52 pmI'm not sure there is a great deal left to add. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see what has been happening - Christ, just whack an old episode of bullseye or one of the world title games (in either code) from the 1980s or 1990s from YouTube and the difference in trebles especially is obvious.
Each time they introduce a new 'HD' board, the field average increases and the top sixteen or so players 'improve' markedly.
The only real question for those still interested is just how much of a difference it makes.
I can tell you are new to this forum
+1
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
by meetthefeebles
The Thorn wrote:Good thread Senna
Trebles increased from 7.5mm to nearly 9.5mm in 2016. Fuck knows what they are in 2024. It's probably around a 30% increase since 1978.
That's massive, especially for the top players. Imagine a football goal increasing by that size FFS ...
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
by Rogg
Now we have a thread for it, there's no need to fret about it in all the other ones!
Nobody is taking the past away from you ok folks.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:57 pm
by The Thorn
Rogg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
Now we have a thread for it, there's no need to fret about it in all the other ones!
Nobody is taking the past away from you ok folks.
If it helps the post count I will still allow it
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:57 pm
by meetthefeebles
sennafan24 wrote:
meetthefeebles wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:52 pmI'm not sure there is a great deal left to add. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see what has been happening - Christ, just whack an old episode of bullseye or one of the world title games (in either code) from the 1980s or 1990s from YouTube and the difference in trebles especially is obvious.
Each time they introduce a new 'HD' board, the field average increases and the top sixteen or so players 'improve' markedly.
The only real question for those still interested is just how much of a difference it makes.
I can tell you are new to this forum
It's an 'all darts forum thing' though, isn't it? Pretty much been debated, fruitlessly, for years and years.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:59 pm
by meetthefeebles
PT13 wrote:Also, in addition to the boards, there's the fact that starting with Phil Taylor and the "Uniboffin" in 2008, when Taylor's form went through the roof, there has also been an increasing focus scientifically on the darts missiles themselves.
There is no question that darts tech has improved enormously, too. It's a much more difficult thing to factor in, mind.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:01 am
by sennafan24
PT13 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:54 pm
Also, in addition to the boards, there's the fact that starting with Phil Taylor and the "Uniboffin" in 2008, when Taylor's form went through the roof, there has also been an increasing focus scientifically on the darts missiles themselves.
Could you elaborate on this please?
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
meetthefeebles wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:52 pmI'm not sure there is a great deal left to add. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see what has been happening - Christ, just whack an old episode of bullseye or one of the world title games (in either code) from the 1980s or 1990s from YouTube and the difference in trebles especially is obvious.
Each time they introduce a new 'HD' board, the field average increases and the top sixteen or so players 'improve' markedly.
The only real question for those still interested is just how much of a difference it makes.
I can tell you are new to this forum
It's an 'all darts forum thing' though, isn't it? Pretty much been debated, fruitlessly, for years and years.
I agree with the last sentence of your previous post btw.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:03 am
by sennafan24
Rogg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
Now we have a thread for it, there's no need to fret about it in all the other ones!
Nobody is taking the past away from you ok folks.
I'm sure Randall will follow your guidance
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Rogg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
Now we have a thread for it, there's no need to fret about it in all the other ones!
Nobody is taking the past away from you ok folks.
I'm sure Randall will follow your guidance
If he can read it
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:05 am
by TheMalteseDart
The facts are undeniable. However it isn’t the modern day players fault and therefore shouldn’t be used as a factor to discredit the numbers they hit
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:05 am
by PT13
Rogg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
Now we have a thread for it, there's no need to fret about it in all the other ones!
Nobody is taking the past away from you ok folks.
They try. For example, MvG's recent and current struggles, Taylor is the greatest because he overcame such things faster and dominated over a long period of time. For a lot of 2007, and early 2008 especially, Taylor had lost the aura among other darts players. He got it back 2008-2010 better than ever before, and many blamed Peter Manley taking down the board and giving it to someone in the front row after he had smashed Taylor in a Premier League match in Coventry on 21 February 2008. Taylor was fuming. "That will never happen again", he shouted at Rod Harrington as he left the stage. Taylor then won 61 tournaments between March 2008 and September 2010.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Rogg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
Now we have a thread for it, there's no need to fret about it in all the other ones!
Nobody is taking the past away from you ok folks.
They try. For example, MvG's recent and current struggles, Taylor is the greatest because he overcame such things faster and dominated over a long period of time. For a lot of 2007, and early 2008 especially, Taylor had lost the aura among other darts players. He got it back 2008-2010 better than ever before, and many blamed Peter Manley taking down the board and giving it to someone in the front row after he had smashed Taylor in a Premier League match in Coventry on 21 February 2008. Taylor was fuming. "That will never happen again", he shouted at Rod Harrington as he left the stage. Taylor then won 61 tournaments between March 2008 and September 2010.
Off-topic, mate.
Re: The evolution of dartboards (sponsored by Randall and Rogg)
Rogg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:56 pm
Now we have a thread for it, there's no need to fret about it in all the other ones!
Nobody is taking the past away from you ok folks.
They try. For example, MvG's recent and current struggles, Taylor is the greatest because he overcame such things faster and dominated over a long period of time. For a lot of 2007, and early 2008 especially, Taylor had lost the aura among other darts players. He got it back 2008-2010 better than ever before, and many blamed Peter Manley taking down the board and giving it to someone in the front row after he had smashed Taylor in a Premier League match in Coventry on 21 February 2008. Taylor was fuming. "That will never happen again", he shouted at Rod Harrington as he left the stage. Taylor then won 61 tournaments between March 2008 and September 2010.
It's an 'all darts forum thing' though, isn't it? Pretty much been debated, fruitlessly, for years and years.