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Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:03 pm**

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:00 pm
sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:58 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:54 pm
sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:26 pm
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:23 pm Smack bang in the middle of the "worst" years of his career as well.
I can't stand the bloke. He's an utter dickhead.

But he's the best darts player ever by some margin.
Nobody would disagree with the second sentence. I’m also not too keen on how he has come across as well.
Quite a few believe that MVG is better than Taylor.

An argument that I have never agreed with.
I don’t agree with that either, but I would MVG at number 2

And I wasn't having Bristow anywhere near the top 5, nor anyone else from pre-Taylor in my top ten. Yet because popular opinion disagrees with me, I must be trolling or being deliberately provocative to incite people.

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:05 pm**

You have Thornton 15th though surely?

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:06 pm**

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:02 pm
sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:16 pm
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:13 pm Let's not forget fanny
Though I'd like to think his was tongue in cheek
Fanny is a good lad and doesn't believe most of what he posts.

Fakewade, Meetthefeebles, Rout, Oche, Thorn, Halloween Jack, etc, are sadly genuine.
Me? Why? Take me out of this list or I'll explode on your chin!

Cheeky

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:06 pm**

TopLad180 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:59 pm Of course my original account was banned. As I recall MH asked why people stopped posting on TDF, I answered the question genuinely and he didn't like it. Randall didn't actually press the button, but this was at a time where Gaz was saying the most outrageously ridiculous opinions while Randall and others questioned nothing. We were getting nonsense like Adams wouldn't have been as good as Painter, Mardle, Beaton etc, and endless posts about James Wade gaining £500 on the player above him in the Order of Merit.

To this day people construe "Taylor wouldn't have been a 16 time world champion in a unified field" as "which BDO finalist would have beaten him". It probably wouldn't have been the final where he lost, it would have been the tougher matches in the first few rounds which caught him out. Hankey might have won in 2000, or Fordham in 2004, but they'd probably have needed someone on the level of Mark Webster, Chizzy, 2014 Michael Smith or Mardle to catch him in the first couple of rounds. If you think that doesn't happen a few times between 1994 and 2007, you're deluded.

Obviously there's an anti-BDO slant to this poll, but I think more of a fundamental difference is that I value longevity and consistency far higher than most. There would certainly be no other sport where a player had a six or seven year career at the top, and was regarded better than someone who did it for twenty years, even if the former player was slightly better at their peak.

A very well balanced and well written post. Of course there is an anti-BDO slant to this poll, several of the main posters are anti-BDO.
For the record I am not pro BDO over the PDC, I prefer the PDC as it has the better players, but I’m not of the opinion that because someone has played in the BDO then they are bound to be rubbish. Even the main BDO haters can’t tell me the PDC was superior late 90s to mid 2000s
I try to put a different viewpoint to stimulate debate yet some just see it as a red rag to a bull and it is very amusing.

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:10 pm**

The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:05 pm You have Thornton 15th though surely?

Probably one of the biggest loads of crap I’ve ever seen on any forum of any sport. Only on TDF, and I’m called a contrarian, maybe I am to 10-15 people on here yet I doubt to the mainstream opinion ( certainly regarding Thornton)

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:13 pm**

HalloweenJack wrote:
The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:05 pm You have Thornton 15th though surely?
Probably one of the biggest loads of crap I’ve ever seen on any forum of any sport. Only on TDF, and I’m called a contrarian, maybe I am to 10-15 people on here yet I doubt to the mainstream opinion ( certainly regarding Thornton)

Dont get me wrong, was a great player to watch when he was "on it", but 15th is taking the absolute piss

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:13 pm**

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:02 pm
sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:16 pm
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:13 pm Let's not forget fanny
Though I'd like to think his was tongue in cheek
Fanny is a good lad and doesn't believe most of what he posts.

Fakewade, Meetthefeebles, Rout, Oche, Thorn, Halloween Jack, etc, are sadly genuine.
Me? Why? Take me out of this list or I'll explode on your chin!

Please don’t tell me you are bothered about what Senna puts.

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:17 pm**

The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:13 pm
HalloweenJack wrote:
The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:05 pm You have Thornton 15th though surely?
Probably one of the biggest loads of crap I’ve ever seen on any forum of any sport. Only on TDF, and I’m called a contrarian, maybe I am to 10-15 people on here yet I doubt to the mainstream opinion ( certainly regarding Thornton)
Dont get me wrong, was a great player to watch when he was "on it", but 15th is taking the absolute piss

That’s the beauty of this forum, lots of different opinions personalities which is healthy for debate and banter but i do think some people get too involved and affected by what is said on here. There are far more important things to worry about in the big bad world.
Saying all that though 15th for Thornton

I bet the man himself wouldn’t rank himself as high as that.

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:35 pm**

It's a lot tamer now than what it was. There's not a chance Gaz et al would have allowed a suggestion that the PDC give Adams a wildcard for Ally Pally without responding cholerically.

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:54 pm**

Brilliant thread this

Posted: **Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:56 pm**

Randall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:31 pm
The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:30 pm
Randall wrote:
Not banned as far as I know
He is also full of shit like so .any bdo fans.
So its just because you disagree with him, if you want a forum where everyone agrees you should join the one Gaz is now on then.
At least it's only him and jack and not the massed ranks of the deluded on df years ago

🥱

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:01 am**

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:02 pm
sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:16 pm
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:13 pm Let's not forget fanny
Though I'd like to think his was tongue in cheek
Fanny is a good lad and doesn't believe most of what he posts.

Fakewade, Meetthefeebles, Rout, Oche, Thorn, Halloween Jack, etc, are sadly genuine.
Me? Why? Take me out of this list or I'll explode on your chin!

Penrith is halfway between Falkirk and Nantwich. I suggest you meet up for a drink when you are allowed( non alcohol for Senna) and discuss your differences. I’ll
Come along and mediate if you like, I’m sure I can drag Randall along as well

All are welcome. We are the TDF family, let’s all just get along.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:02 am**

Safc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:54 pm Brilliant thread this

This place is brilliant, it really is

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:04 am**

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:02 am
Safc wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:54 pm Brilliant thread this
This place is brilliant, it really is

I know look here is a picture of a unicorn

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:12 am**

The Thorn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:02 pm Me? Why? Take me out of this list or I'll explode on your chin!

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:17 am**

TopLad180 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:59 pm Of course my original account was banned. As I recall MH asked why people stopped posting on TDF, I answered the question genuinely and he didn't like it. Randall didn't actually press the button, but this was at a time where Gaz was saying the most outrageously ridiculous opinions while Randall and others questioned nothing. We were getting nonsense like Adams wouldn't have been as good as Painter, Mardle, Beaton etc, and endless posts about James Wade gaining £500 on the player above him in the Order of Merit.

Aye, Gaz is bloody great, isn't he?

To this day people construe "Taylor wouldn't have been a 16 time world champion in a unified field" as "which BDO finalist would have beaten him". It probably wouldn't have been the final where he lost, it would have been the tougher matches in the first few rounds which caught him out. Hankey might have won in 2000, or Fordham in 2004, but they'd probably have needed someone on the level of Mark Webster, Chizzy, 2014 Michael Smith or Mardle to catch him in the first couple of rounds. If you think that doesn't happen a few times between 1994 and 2007, you're deluded.

Strawman.

Of course, Taylor would have won fewer titles in a unified field. The general argument over the previous few pages is that he would have probably beaten every BDO Champion head to head over a long format. Those arguments are not strawman arguments because at some point or another, as I underlined, it has been argued that Walton, Wallace, Ted, etc would have beaten Taylor.

Obviously there's an anti-BDO slant to this poll, but I think more of a fundamental difference is that I value longevity and consistency far higher than most. There would certainly be no other sport where a player had a six or seven year career at the top, and was regarded better than someone who did it for twenty years, even if the former player was slightly better at their peak.

Debatable.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:20 am**

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:10 pm
The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:05 pm You have Thornton 15th though surely?
Probably one of the biggest loads of crap I’ve ever seen on any forum of any sport. Only on TDF, and I’m called a contrarian, maybe I am to 10-15 people on here yet I doubt to the mainstream opinion ( certainly regarding Thornton)

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:46 pm That is one of the best posts of the year.
No names mentioned, but some people on here are extremely self righteous and disregard anybody else’s viewpoint and get way too angry. If anybody gives anybody from the BDO even a whiff of faint praise they are deemed a mushroom a jestful name admittedly but some people need to stop thinking their viewpoint is right and that everybody else’s argument can be flushed down the crapper.

"It's okay when he does it"

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:24 am**

Senna look like you have hit a nerve he is logged in but very quiet

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:25 am**

sennafan24 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:20 am
HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:10 pm
The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:05 pm You have Thornton 15th though surely?
Probably one of the biggest loads of crap I’ve ever seen on any forum of any sport. Only on TDF, and I’m called a contrarian, maybe I am to 10-15 people on here yet I doubt to the mainstream opinion ( certainly regarding Thornton)

HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:46 pm That is one of the best posts of the year.
No names mentioned, but some people on here are extremely self righteous and disregard anybody else’s viewpoint and get way too angry. If anybody gives anybody from the BDO even a whiff of faint praise they are deemed a mushroom a jestful name admittedly but some people need to stop thinking their viewpoint is right and that everybody else’s argument can be flushed down the crapper.
"It's okay when he does it"

??? I will debate with anybody on here without becoming indignant and self righteous. I certainly never get angry.
Just for clarity, the post wasn’t just aimed at you. It was a generalisation for several people. It’s just an observation.

Posted: **Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:27 am**

Safc wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:24 am Senna look like you have hit a nerve he is logged in but very quiet

I often forget to log out. Been playing PDC darts mate.

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