Re: PDC Old 4 TV Event Winners: All-Time List
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:11 am
The jump from 1 to 2 is a huge deal. Dimwit joins the 2 club.
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MVG was also bossing Ally Pally 2024 until the Williams game. He didn't drop a set to Barry, Veenstra or Bunting, and posted some very strong averages. It's not like Williams played out of this world stuff to beat him either. It was far more that MVG had another of his off-nights.PT13 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:56 pm MvG has already blown it, compared to Taylor, at the World Championship. MvG's record there from 2018 is more like a 2011-2018 Taylor. Taylor in his pomp won it 11 years out of 12, and was runner-up in the other.
2007 is about the only year where Taylor was playing amazing at the World Championship and didn't win it (2015 perhaps comes close). MvG did it in 2020 and 2023 (the best player of the tournament before both finals), and other years like 2013, 2016 and 2018. Taylor got massive stick for being an "ex-world champion" when Part beat him in 2003, even from Roy Keane!
I think it's largely been that way since around 2020 when he changed his darts supplier. That was when his defeats on TV started to become more regular.
Puts things in perspective a bit.
Yeah, but he's still a miserable cunt..sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:44 pm Despite his decline, MVG has still won more "Premier" TV events than anyone else so far in the 2020s.
MVG - 8
Wright - 7
Price - 5
Hump/Clayton - 4
Smith - 2
I'm more concerned that there is a genuine argument that Wright is the greatest player of the 2020s so far.Ross, Bob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 pmYeah, but he's still a miserable cunt..sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:44 pm Despite his decline, MVG has still won more "Premier" TV events than anyone else so far in the 2020s.
MVG - 8
Wright - 7
Price - 5
Hump/Clayton - 4
Smith - 2
For all his on-stage antics, Wright is quite good at darts. I'd rather watch him win a tournament than MVG.sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:19 pmI'm more concerned that there is a genuine argument that Wright is the greatest player of the 2020s so far.Ross, Bob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 pmYeah, but he's still a miserable cunt..sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:44 pm Despite his decline, MVG has still won more "Premier" TV events than anyone else so far in the 2020s.
MVG - 8
Wright - 7
Price - 5
Hump/Clayton - 4
Smith - 2
Only 1 Premier TV titles fewer than MVG, and the only player to win 2 World Titles this decade.
The 2021 World Matchplay saw the best Peter Wright. He even battered Michael van Gerwen the way that MvG used to do to him.sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:19 pmI'm more concerned that there is a genuine argument that Wright is the greatest player of the 2020s so far.Ross, Bob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 pmYeah, but he's still a miserable cunt..sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:44 pm Despite his decline, MVG has still won more "Premier" TV events than anyone else so far in the 2020s.
MVG - 8
Wright - 7
Price - 5
Hump/Clayton - 4
Smith - 2
Only 1 Premier TV titles fewer than MVG, and the only player to win 2 World Titles this decade.
He won't be the greatest player of the 2020s overall though, we can be fairly sure of that!sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:19 pmI'm more concerned that there is a genuine argument that Wright is the greatest player of the 2020s so far.Ross, Bob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 pmYeah, but he's still a miserable cunt..sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:44 pm Despite his decline, MVG has still won more "Premier" TV events than anyone else so far in the 2020s.
MVG - 8
Wright - 7
Price - 5
Hump/Clayton - 4
Smith - 2
Only 1 Premier TV titles fewer than MVG, and the only player to win 2 World Titles this decade.
I don't know how 'unlucky' MvG was to have amazing averages thrown at him, I think it's as much a sign that they weren't scared of him anymore than 'luck' (same goes for Ian White when he seemed to have ton plus averages thrown at him left right and centre at the Worlds)sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:27 pmI think it's largely been that way since around 2020 when he changed his darts supplier. That was when his defeats on TV started to become more regular.
Although a quick scan suggests he was unlucky to lose on TV at times in the early 2020s. Wright played the game of his life to beat him at the 2021 Matchplay, as did Chizzy to beat him at Ally Pally 2021. Hump also played exceptionally to beat him at the 2021 UK Open.
Over the past year the likes of Gilding, Heta, Dolan, Dobey, Van Veen, Williams and Mensur all beat him while playing decently, but not exceptionally. So you may have a point.
I understand that certain players are easier to play against than others (pace, aura, etc)thegentle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:09 amI don't know how 'unlucky' MvG was to have amazing averages thrown at him, I think it's as much a sign that they weren't scared of him anymore than 'luck' (same goes for Ian White when he seemed to have ton plus averages thrown at him left right and centre at the Worlds)sennafan24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:27 pmI think it's largely been that way since around 2020 when he changed his darts supplier. That was when his defeats on TV started to become more regular.
Although a quick scan suggests he was unlucky to lose on TV at times in the early 2020s. Wright played the game of his life to beat him at the 2021 Matchplay, as did Chizzy to beat him at Ally Pally 2021. Hump also played exceptionally to beat him at the 2021 UK Open.
Over the past year the likes of Gilding, Heta, Dolan, Dobey, Van Veen, Williams and Mensur all beat him while playing decently, but not exceptionally. So you may have a point.