Just Had A Chat With Dave Whitcombe

[Knots & crosses]

the point being who in the bdo at the moment has more tv experience than adams ?

look at the people he has played in his finals ffs

How is that Adams fault?

[Justin Credible]

never claimed it was his fault, that was not the issue ...but it dont change the fact.

[Knots & crosses]

never claimed it was his fault, that was not the issue ...but it dont change the fact.

The fact that different people get to finals all the time?

Wow. That's terrible. If only it were the same people all the time. That would be far better.

[Justin Credible]

never claimed it was his fault, that was not the issue ...but it dont change the fact.

The fact that different people get to finals all the time?

Wow. That's terrible. If only it were the same people all the time. That would be far better.

so you admit that having the same people constantly in the final is a bad thing ???

well done because it appears you have failed to notice how spineless has appeared in nearly every major bdo final for the last few years.
And with that he has gained more experience than any other player so its hardly fucking rocket science to assume his experience has given him an advantage.
Oh and before you try claim thats not his fault..dont bother you already used that argument and it still dont apply

[Knots & crosses]

never claimed it was his fault, that was not the issue ...but it dont change the fact.

The fact that different people get to finals all the time?

Wow. That's terrible. If only it were the same people all the time. That would be far better.

so you admit that having the same people constantly in the final is a bad thing ???

well done because it appears you have failed to notice how spineless has appeared in nearly every major bdo final for the last few years.
And with that he has gained more experience than any other player so its hardly fucking rocket science to assume his experience has given him an advantage.
Oh and before you try claim thats not his fault..dont bother you already used that argument and it still dont apply

Of course it applies. It's not his fault he's the most consistent player. It's not his fault he's been on tv more either, that's age coupled with ability.

[Justin Credible]

plus fortune that those with the same age but more ability fucked off to form the pdc.
He hovered up the scraps.
Business wise it was a sound decision, but for it to warrant him a top player certainly not.

History will show the discrepancies in his wins, how a jobber for 2 decades who could not manage to even qualify for lakeshite suddenly became a champion in a depleted field.

So believe what you will as shall I, but some facts are exactly that.

[Knots & crosses]

Yes. Those facts being he won. Because that's all the record books show.

[Justin Credible]

also shows the jobbers he beat with no experience...where as you look at the titles won by taylor and lewis, look at the opposition, standard , averages etc and spot the difference.

Were Spineless in the pdc he so called consistent average of 92 would hardly trouble people like andy smith, guys like wayne jones are more consistent than spineless let alone the top players in the pdc.

So go ahead convince yourself he is a "great" player, but I am not buying it, never have never will.His legacy will forever be tarnished.
So if you want your "sharky like" debates to continue you might as well find someone else to debate with as you wont change my mind nor the facts

[Knots & crosses]

Of course I won't change the facts. He has won major titles.

Going on your version of events, no darts player from history would ever have won anything these days. Which is, of course, rubbish.

[Justin Credible]

Adams would have won no major were it not for the split.
And his excuses for not joining the pdc are just that excuses....blame hearn all he likes I know, we all know and deep down he knows but wont admit it he would win nothing, zero in the pdc , so instead he took the option to stay in the bdo and milk the top heavy prizes.

A sound financial reason, but a great player is does not make

[Knots & crosses]

Adams would have won no major were it not for the split.
And his excuses for not joining the pdc are just that excuses....blame hearn all he likes I know, we all know and deep down he knows but wont admit it he would win nothing, zero in the pdc , so instead he took the option to stay in the bdo and milk the top heavy prizes.

A sound financial reason, but a great player is does not make

In your opinion Adams would have won no majors. That is not a fact.

[Justin Credible]

Adams would have won no major were it not for the split.
And his excuses for not joining the pdc are just that excuses....blame hearn all he likes I know, we all know and deep down he knows but wont admit it he would win nothing, zero in the pdc , so instead he took the option to stay in the bdo and milk the top heavy prizes.

A sound financial reason, but a great player is does not make

In your opinion Adams would have won no majors. That is not a fact.

eh no...like you said its an opinion...where did I claim that to be a fact ???

thats right I didn't, .

[Knots & crosses]

Adams would have won no major were it not for the split.
And his excuses for not joining the pdc are just that excuses....blame hearn all he likes I know, we all know and deep down he knows but wont admit it he would win nothing, zero in the pdc , so instead he took the option to stay in the bdo and milk the top heavy prizes.

A sound financial reason, but a great player is does not make

In your opinion Adams would have won no majors. That is not a fact.

eh no...like you said its an opinion...where did I claim that to be a fact ???

thats right I didn't, .

Where did I say you did? I just thought it should be made clear, since you're so fond of talking about facts in the case of Adams.

[Justin Credible]

ok thanks

[M H]

Catching up on this I believe that Adams wouldn't have won a major in a unified field. I'd say it's fair to put him at the same level as Terry Jenkins, a decent player who'll never win a major.

[Justin Credible]

Catching up on this I believe that Adams wouldn't have won a major in a unified field. I'd say it's fair to put him at the same level as Terry Jenkins, a decent player who'll never win a major.

Are you for real ? Jenkins is a class far above him.
He be lucky to be in the andy smith , barrie bates level, let alone anywhere near the top 16

[M H]

Disagree Gaz. Jenks is a fine player no doubt but going by average alone he's pretty much on a par with Adams.

Jenks hasn't won a PDC major and never will, he isn't good enough mate. Neither would have won a major in a unified field in my opinion.

[Justin Credible]

sorry MH but jenks is a far higher scorer than adams...what has adams done , a 100 average 2 or 3 times...his norm is 90-93, jenks would blow that away.
Guys like wayne jones and mark walsh who win fuckall do better than that

[M H]

Jenks is a solid 92-95 chucker Gaz and rarely goes above that. See the similarity?

[Justin Credible]

heard ya the first time.....

Jenks has averaged over a hundred on many many occasions

here are just some of his averages over a 100 against players who also achieved 100 plus in the same match.

GSoD
106.25 Phil Taylor 18-9 Terry Jenkins (100.92), final, GSODs 2008, 27 legs
105.65 Gary Anderson 14-16 Terry Jenkins (102.30), semis, GSODs 2008, 30 legs
102.14 Terry Jenkins 10-7 Raymond van Barneveld (101.01), last 16, GSODs 2007, 17 legs

and there are numerous in the PL as well , and other comps