DARTS BETTING QUESTION????

[BLUEBOY68]

When betting on darts matches there is obviously a big advantage in who throws first. How and when is this outcome communicated to the public? I know that for Premier League matches this is pre-determined by the draw but not for most other tournaments. Where can we access this info before placing bets?

[Jimmi]

When betting on darts matches there is obviously a big advantage in who throws first. How and when is this outcome communicated to the public? I know that for Premier League matches this is pre-determined by the draw but not for most other tournaments. Where can we access this info before placing bets?

Flashscores and http://live.dartsdata.com

[The Ginge Reaper]

When betting on darts matches there is obviously a big advantage in who throws first. How and when is this outcome communicated to the public? I know that for Premier League matches this is pre-determined by the draw but not for most other tournaments. Where can we access this info before placing bets?

FlashScore usually shows you who is throwing first up to 20 mins before the game, by virtue of a little dart next to the name of the player. Same info the bookies use as they will have adjusted their "wins first leg" market accordingly, unless you are in the room witnessing the bull up you wont get to know any quicker than the bookies I am afraid.

[BLUEBOY68]

Cheers TGR - is this the same for most tournaments and is the 20 minutes thing standard or do times vary with each tourny? Really frustrating not knowing this info pre-match as it's impossible to be around 20mins before each match you want to bet on. Stupid question but any way round it?

[BLUEBOY68]

Which bookmaker sites are the first to highlight first throw player?

[The Ginge Reaper]

I did say "up to 20 mins", depends when they bull up. No idea who reacts the slowest tbh, "wins first leg" has never been an interest of mine.

Only way round it is to become PDC tournament director

[BLUEBOY68]

I might just do that. Make a fortune on Betfair just trading the odds

[BLUEBOY68]

Anyone else got any ideas about darts betting and when to place bets etc

[TopLad180]

Anyone else got any ideas about darts betting and when to place bets etc

Yes.

[Wolflanternbumbag]

Anyone else got any ideas about darts betting and when to place bets etc

No

[TheMalteseDart]

Anyone else got any ideas about darts betting and when to place bets etc

Can get a feel for knowing if someone's 'on it' or not early into a game so sometimes better to bet in play, I like betting on darts a lot but then I'm now an avid follower so can make a judgement on form better than just googling their recent results, even so, I still lose often betting on darts because form can be thrown out of the window and games can flip so quickly.

If you're not much of a darts fan i'd probably try and get into the sport and stuff before putting money on it

[BLUEBOY68]

Cheers TMD. How do you get around the first throw advantage thing? Do you always wait for the bull up and is it still ok to place bets before this

[The Ginge Reaper]

Cheers TMD. How do you get around the first throw advantage thing? Do you always wait for the bull up and is it still ok to place bets before this

Well are you betting on the "wins first leg" market or the main match market?

[The Thorn]

Cheers TMD. How do you get around the first throw advantage thing? Do you always wait for the bull up and is it still ok to place bets before this

The others know more about betting than I do but I wouldn't read that much into it honestly. Just treat the bull up as an uncertain element, as the bookies do. I guess it's possible that someone is significantly better at hitting the bull than other sectors but it would be a really small margin when you calculate how few of the games are actually decided by who starts.

[TopLad180]

With the lack of a final set tiebreak, the bull up is massively important this year.

[BLUEBOY68]

Cheers TMD. How do you get around the first throw advantage thing? Do you always wait for the bull up and is it still ok to place bets before this

Well are you betting on the "wins first leg" market or the main match market?

Would like to bet more on Match Betting and Handicaps but feel it's so difficult pre-match due to the first throw advantage. Mainly bet on Total 180's and Most 180's which aren't influenced by first throw bias and form/stats study give me a good edge. Highest Checkout markets can throw up some gems but not too often

Seems crazy to me how much "luck" (ie winning the bull up) determines the fate of so many darts matches especially in the shorter format stages. Obviously the more legs there are in a match then the first throw advantage is lessened but where is the cut-off point - Best of 11...15....19 legs???

[The Thorn]

Cheers TMD. How do you get around the first throw advantage thing? Do you always wait for the bull up and is it still ok to place bets before this

Well are you betting on the "wins first leg" market or the main match market?

Would like to bet more on Match Betting and Handicaps but feel it's so difficult pre-match due to the first throw advantage. Mainly bet on Total 180's and Most 180's which aren't influenced by first throw bias and form/stats study give me a good edge. Highest Checkout markets can throw up some gems but not too often

Seems crazy to me how much "luck" (ie winning the bull up) determines the fate of so many darts matches especially in the shorter format stages. Obviously the more legs there are in a match then the first throw advantage is lessened but where is the cut-off point - Best of 11...15....19 legs???

Obviously there is no cutoff point, the advantage is just becoming more and more marginal. Even if the match goes to the last leg, the throw effectively will only have an effect when both players would have checked out in the same visit. That's why I think it's really not that significant of a factor. If you're going to make any money on betting, your EV margins will be a lot higher than the effect of the bull up IMO. And anyway the bull up can swing either way so again, statistically it shouldn't matter that much.

[BLUEBOY68]

You're right Thorn, more marginal is a better way to describe it. I mainly use Betfair to place bets as I can trade positions quickly and easily but the swings in the market due to the effect of the first throw often leaves me in a poor position to start the match so have learnt to concentrate on in-play betting but not always great liquidity. Sometimes would rather have a decent bet on certain players pre-match but am wary of losing the bull up

[SuperSwede]

It's not something I have ever considered. I would say if you are viewing who wins the bull even in a best of 11 as a factor then it's a "no bet" either way.

I never bet in-play, never cash out and never look at markets like first leg etc. The closest i'd get to it being relevant is like in the World Championships I have had a good few "to win first set 3-0 in legs" but again i'm only doing that in matches where the player i'm opposing is so weak I don't fancy them even throwing first twice.

[Mabbsy]

Cheeseman-Blenkinsop will be along next week for his annual foray into forum land.

He'll give you all the tips you need