Wade vs Nico: How to make a convincing argument

[cannibal]

Nicholson, lets be clear is a spaz. Most fans of wrestling are they don't have a grasp of reality and they certainly don't have a grasp of logic. Not surprising as the farce that is wrestling isn't based in reality or on logic.

So lets break down Nico's article and show the stupidity that is the ASSet.

Nico says "Anyone is free to make statements like that but please back it up! I don’t think he has any evidence."
Yet thru the entire article he doesn't really back up any of his own arguments against Wade's statements. He cherry picks certain e.g. to make his point it really isn't even good anecdotal evidence. Nico accuses Wade of no evidence and provides none himself.

Nico says "To say the standard has gone down, well I don’t know where he’s coming from because more people are averaging higher on a more regular basis than ever before and we are seeing more people win big titles spread around the top cluster of players than ever before - for that reason. Everybody as a group is getting better and as far as I am concerned, I couldn’t disagree with James more." Lets be a bit pedantic here: Wade specifically said "the top 10 is weak at the moment" and in a previous interview he said (paraphrasing) Wade says the standard throughout is better but at the top 10 or 12 isn't as good.
Nico's argument is as a whole the PDC tour card holders have gotten better, playing to a higher standard. I don't disagree with that but that is a different argument than Wade's that the top 10 or 12 are not as good as previous years, i.e. "the top 10 is weak at the moment". So Nico changes the boundary of the argument to claim that Wade is wrong. A straw man argument. Nico says "Everybody as a group is getting better and as far as I am concerned, I couldn’t disagree with James more." Actually you agree with James Wade as that is exactly what Wade said. And we can say one more time Nico doesn't back up his statement the standard is getting better with any real evidence. One would think that a sport well defined by statistics that the greatest evidence is actual stats.

3:32 Wade says top 10 is weak at the moment.


-35.30 Wade says the standard throughout is better but at the top 10 or 12 isn't as good.
https://www.skysports.com/darts/news/12 ... st-episode

Ok this one isn't from Nico but from the editors. Nico should have at least have the balls to demand this statement be changed as it isn't reflective of what he (Nico) said. Otoh Nico is looking for attention and is such a pussy he wouldn't have the balls to demand that the editor change the statement. Editor (assuming the editor wrote this synopsis) "The Asset couldn’t disagree more and even feels Taylor at his peak may not even be at the top of the rankings." Read the article Nico does say Taylor would be at the top just not sure exactly where. So fuck off editor read the fucking columns you publish idiot.

Nico does say "I don’t think Phil has actually got many average records left! " again another statement that is easily backed up by real facts with a little research. So no thinking about it, look at the records and put those in the article you stupid twat. But what can we expect from an idiot who loves fake wrestling and disconnected from reality. We also know that Nico loves to exaggerate players avgs, as been documented on this forum that Nico states over exaggerated avgs during matches as compared to Dart Connect stats.


Nico also says "We also have statistical analysts...
This is what we should be listening to in debates like this and not James Wade, who simply isn’t a student of the game. He has every right to say what he thinks, but it doesn’t mean he’s right. He doesn’t care about the game in the same way as many others do, and certainly doesn’t know about it from a statistical point of view.
So why criticise things you don’t know or care about?" This is laughable because Nico offers no statistical analysis himself and asserts certain premiss' himself without proof so how is that different than Wade? it isn't so for the second time he falls into the same trap he accuses Wade of falling into. Further I think he is completely wrong about Wade and his understanding of the game. Wade has been in the game a lot longer at the top level than Nico and even if I may not agree or at least convinced by Wade and his top 10 statement, I put a whole hell of a lot more credence in what wade or any of his multiple personalities say about the game than a simple minded twat like Nico.

[The Thorn]

I think you might be a overthinking this a bit. However I agree that both are huge cunts who have little idea what they are talking about.

[cannibal]

I over think everything that is the kind of cunt i am lol. Rather over think thank under think as the day i get the invitation to the crayon dinner party is the day I hope someone puts a bullet in me skull.

[Randall]

Nicho is looking for attention
He gets it he will pick up more cheques

Wade is just bonkers

How long have they used a 2 year order of merit?
Can produce a false ranking on occasion

[cannibal]

Honestly I think Wade may have a point about the top 10 or 12 but not convinced enough. Imho think darts is in a transition effected by out of form and aging players at the top end, covid, and the increasing standard at the mid to lower end of the tour.

[Randall]

Honestly I think Wade may have a point about the top 10 or 12 but not convinced enough. Imho think darts is in a transition effected by out of form and aging players at the top end, covid, and the increasing standard at the mid to lower end of the tour.

You could look at the top 16 now and point out plenty of cloggers but if you did the same 20 years ago I fear you would find Osborne, Walsh and (sorry captain) oven etc

[cannibal]

That is the next step. I can only make people's eyes bleed for so long. I wouldnt go back more than a few years at a time. Things have changed with number of events, type of events, ranking points etc. It is a bit of a more complex issue than most people think.

[Randall]

Arguably with a 20th of the events the top end was much more stagnant 20 years ago as well