paolo2144 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:36 am
However the other thing that always has bugged me about the PL is that it even features play off's in first place. It is a bloody league title that drags on for months, and the title should just automatically go to the winner of the league.
Imagine in the football PL if you had Liverpool winning league title like last year by 20 odd points, but then having to play a a S/F & Final play off where they lose 1-0 to team that finished 4th and 35 pts behind them. I think it is for this reason that i have never rated the PL as high as some of other majors.
As Randall said, it's just money. It's a TV show. But you are allowed to separate the league from the play-offs in your own mind if you want.
I'd like them to present the league phase winner with a trophy, as does Super League (rugby league) which also uses play-offs. It's called the League Leaders' Shield, says wiki. It would be good to acknowledge the player who did the league the best in some visual way. It wouldn't be difficult. Present them with a tea tray or something at the close of play on Week 16.
vizIIsto wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:49 am
Not a ranking title, how is it top 5.
It goes for 16 weeks and pays 250k to the winner.
Like it or not, it's the 2nd most sought after Title in the PDC.
It is possible to argue the Matchplay and Grand Prix edge it due to Prestige and History, but no way it's lower than 4th.
Its certainly no higher than 4 either
I would agree 100%.
To me while I would class it as a PDC major, it sits miles behind the World Championship and Matchplay. I also would definitely put the World GP and GSOD above it as well.
I would rate is as 5th in importance to me as a darts fan, and i think a lot of fans would agree it is not in top 3 majors.
However the other thing that always has bugged me about the PL is that it even features play off's in first place. It is a bloody league title that drags on for months, and the title should just automatically go to the winner of the league.
Imagine in the football PL if you had Liverpool winning league title like last year by 20 odd points, but then having to play a a S/F & Final play off where they lose 1-0 to team that finished 4th and 35 pts behind them. I think it is for this reason that i have never rated the PL as high as some of other majors.
Having said all that well done to Duzza, as he was the best layer throughout the league phase and deserves the title.
I'd definitely have the PL and most other events above the WGP. In terms of things even remotely considered as majors by anyone, for me the Grand prix ranks above only the Masters and World Series Finals. I find the double start too gimmicky and the format for the first few rounds too short to rank it any higher.
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Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
I don't care but the play-off format (19/21 max) surely can be likened to R1/R2/QF at the Grand Prix (15/25/25 max). All league games after judgement night are 14 max which is close to the 15.
Duzza's for/against leg record across the PL was 125/102, if that interests anyone. Not me. I suspect it's the narrowest of any PL champ... don't know though.
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
I don't care but the play-off format (19/21 max) surely can be likened to R1/R2/QF at the Grand Prix (15/25/25 max). All league games after judgement night are 14 max which is close to the 15.
Duzza's for/against leg record across the PL was 125/102, if that interests anyone. Not me. I suspect it's the narrowest of any PL champ... don't know though.
anderson only came 3rd in the group so no suprise his leg difference isn't great, beat chizzy 10-9 in the semi with a 98.5 average and beat mvg in the final 11-7 with a 105 average.
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
I don't care but the play-off format (19/21 max) surely can be likened to R1/R2/QF at the Grand Prix (15/25/25 max). All league games after judgement night are 14 max which is close to the 15.
Duzza's for/against leg record across the PL was 125/102, if that interests anyone. Not me. I suspect it's the narrowest of any PL champ... don't know though.
The vast bulk are 1st to 7 which is the same as euro/pc near enough.
I don't particularly care either it just seemed 2 odd criteria to rank the pl above it on.
The format thing is somewhat fair. The PL does have shorter games but a 15 week league phase is bound to produce more reliable results than a few knockout rounds. Though I still disagree with the original comment, the WGP is still a longer format than any of the ITV weekend events.
The double start is not a gimmick at all, it's played in pubs and leagues, it's a well accepted darts format, even if it's rare to see it on the top level.
The PL is a weird thing and I don't want to get into that for the thousandth time. But the WGP should surely be ranked above every ITV event at the very least.
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Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
I don't care but the play-off format (19/21 max) surely can be likened to R1/R2/QF at the Grand Prix (15/25/25 max). All league games after judgement night are 14 max which is close to the 15.
Duzza's for/against leg record across the PL was 125/102, if that interests anyone. Not me. I suspect it's the narrowest of any PL champ... don't know though.
anderson only came 3rd in the group so no suprise his leg difference isn't great, beat chizzy 10-9 in the semi with a 98.5 average and beat mvg in the final 11-7 with a 105 average.
Good work Mal. I think we're returning to the idea that when MVG (Taylor) wins, it's usually spectacular. Numbers getting crushed all over the place and it's all terribly impressive.
No-one else can (or will ever?) win like that. Anderson was only +15 when he won it. Duzza +23. Sort of win-a-leg-lose-a-leg stuff really.
just had a look at 2014 barney was +23 when he won it (finished 2nd in group stage) though i notice the semi's were only first to 8 and the final first to 10 then.
so yeah you're probably right, mvg crushes everyone other players just aren't gonna win it in that fashion.
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
Badly worded by me. It's the combination of double-in, set play and short format that devalues it for me. Mostly the double-in, I just don't like it, personal preference.
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Was it badly worded when you suggested Sky would toss off their entire Xmas darts schedule just because a golf event is now being run a few months later than normal?
Big changes on the way ! We've heard it before but it's different this time !!!! , I believe Bdo gonna grow x
The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:36 pm
Was it badly worded when you suggested Sky would toss off their entire Xmas darts schedule just because a golf event is now being run a few months later than normal?
I think your reading comprehension needs work is all.
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Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
Badly worded by me. It's the combination of double-in, set play and short format that devalues it for me. Mostly the double-in, I just don't like it, personal preference.
They devalued it shortening the format but it's still a week long, ranking major that they dont invite you too because your mother happened to pop you out there.
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
Badly worded by me. It's the combination of double-in, set play and short format that devalues it for me. Mostly the double-in, I just don't like it, personal preference.
They devalued it shortening the format but it's still a week long, ranking major that they dont invite you too because your mother happened to pop you out there.
Well, technically that is what they used to do with the Irish qualifiers...
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Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
Badly worded by me. It's the combination of double-in, set play and short format that devalues it for me. Mostly the double-in, I just don't like it, personal preference.
They devalued it shortening the format but it's still a week long, ranking major that they dont invite you too because your mother happened to pop you out there.
Well, technically that is what they used to do with the Irish qualifiers...
It's a fair point retrospectively
As much fun as seeing hendo play in front of a home crowd was, one of the elite beating him, fallon etc could very easily be the difference in who gets the league winner bonus
Randall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:12 am
Yst the format for the gp is longer at every stage than the pl which is more gimmicky every year.
Badly worded by me. It's the combination of double-in, set play and short format that devalues it for me. Mostly the double-in, I just don't like it, personal preference.
They devalued it shortening the format but it's still a week long, ranking major that they dont invite you too because your mother happened to pop you out there.
Well, technically that is what they used to do with the Irish qualifiers...
It's a fair point retrospectively
As much fun as seeing hendo play in front of a home crowd was, one of the elite beating him, fallon etc could very easily be the difference in who gets the league winner bonus
I agree but I think the trade-off was worth it for the first year, didn't like it being repeated and hope it is done with now.
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