2020 PDC World Cup of Darts

[The Thorn]

Great tournament always with a few surprises

It's fucking dire.

No, it's not.

[sennafan24]

Should be a B Side for the top 3 nations

England: Nathan Aspinall & Ian White
Scotland: John Henderson & Andy Boulton
Holland: Jermaine Wattinmena & Jeffrey De Zwann

Yeah I'm dying to see White, Boulton and Rodent on TV even more. Am I fuck.

[sennafan24]

Great tournament always with a few surprises

It's fucking dire.

No, it's not.

It's usually unwatchable, especially in the early rounds.

I would prefer a pairs tournament with just the top 64 players.

[vizIIsto]

I'd prefer having 4 team squads like they have with the WDF World Cup and combine a few teams.
Something like:
England
Netherlands
Germany
Scotland+Wales
Ireland+Fake Ireland
Rest of Europe
Asia
Rest of the World

[sennafan24]

I'd prefer having 4 team squads like they have with the WDF World Cup and combine a few teams.
Something like:
England
Netherlands
Germany
Scotland+Wales
Ireland+Fake Ireland
Rest of Europe
Asia
Rest of the World

Why combine Scotland and Wales when they both have decent teams?

[The Thorn]

Great tournament always with a few surprises

It's fucking dire.

No, it's not.

It's usually unwatchable, especially in the early rounds.

I would prefer a pairs tournament with just the top 64 players.

Even if the standard is usually not that good, the variety and the different countries aspect makes it enjoyable for me. Even if a game is shite, it doesn't drag on for long because of the short format. A pairs tournament would be nice I guess but I don't think it should replace the WC. For most international players, this is their only chance of making their mark aside the Worlds, and in some cases the World Series.

[sennafan24]

Even if the standard is usually not that good, the variety and the different countries aspect makes it enjoyable for me. Even if a game is shite, it doesn't drag on for long because of the short format. A pairs tournament would be nice I guess but I don't think it should replace the WC. For most international players, this is their only chance of making their mark aside the Worlds, and in some cases the World Series.

I actually think Viz has a point.

They should have teams representing Asia, North America, etc. That would help trim the fat a bit.

[The Thorn]

Having 4 player teams just means the big nations, especially England are going to have a huge advantage. Every country can find 1 or 2 half decent players, but 4, not a chance. Even an irrelevant darts nation has a chance if they have a Paul Lim or a De Sousa. That adds to the unpredictability and the variety of the current event.

[The Thorn]

Even if the standard is usually not that good, the variety and the different countries aspect makes it enjoyable for me. Even if a game is shite, it doesn't drag on for long because of the short format. A pairs tournament would be nice I guess but I don't think it should replace the WC. For most international players, this is their only chance of making their mark aside the Worlds, and in some cases the World Series.

I actually think Viz has a point.

They should have teams representing Asia, North America, etc. That would help trim the fat a bit.

But trimming the fat is exactly what removes the actual point of the event here. It would turn out to be the usual PDC tournament with the usual players that we see all year.

[sennafan24]

Even if the standard is usually not that good, the variety and the different countries aspect makes it enjoyable for me. Even if a game is shite, it doesn't drag on for long because of the short format. A pairs tournament would be nice I guess but I don't think it should replace the WC. For most international players, this is their only chance of making their mark aside the Worlds, and in some cases the World Series.

I actually think Viz has a point.

They should have teams representing Asia, North America, etc. That would help trim the fat a bit.

But trimming the fat is exactly what removes the actual point of the event here. It would turn out to be the usual PDC tournament with the usual players that we see all year.

Ahhhh, the IFM argument.

[vizIIsto]

I'd prefer having 4 team squads like they have with the WDF World Cup and combine a few teams.
Something like:
England
Netherlands
Germany
Scotland+Wales
Ireland+Fake Ireland
Rest of Europe
Asia
Rest of the World

Why combine Scotland and Wales when they both have decent teams?

2-player teams, yes. But neither Scotland nor Wales have sufficient stuff to warrant a 4-player team of their own, unless you want Thornton or Bates/Kenny to play.

[vizIIsto]

Having 4 player teams just means the big nations, especially England are going to have a huge advantage. Every country can find 1 or 2 half decent players, but 4, not a chance. Even an irrelevant darts nation has a chance if they have a Paul Lim or a De Sousa. That adds to the unpredictability and the variety of the current event.

Combining into larger teams seems good enough though.
An Asia team would have Asada, Lim, Leung, Ilagan, or a few other names.
A Rest of Europe team would have Van den Bergh, Ratajski, Suljovic, de Sousa, and I'm voiding names like Razma, Labanauskas, Reyes, Larsson.

Netherlands or Scotland+Wales would have a hard fight against that Rest of Europe team.

[Randall]

England

Cross
Smith
Chizzy
Wade
Duzza

Christ

[sennafan24]

I'd prefer having 4 team squads like they have with the WDF World Cup and combine a few teams.
Something like:
England
Netherlands
Germany
Scotland+Wales
Ireland+Fake Ireland
Rest of Europe
Asia
Rest of the World

Why combine Scotland and Wales when they both have decent teams?

2-player teams, yes. But neither Scotland nor Wales have sufficient stuff to warrant a 4-player team of their own, unless you want Thornton or Bates/Kenny to play.

Ahhh, I glossed over the part where you mentioned 4-player teams.

[The Thorn]

Having 4 player teams just means the big nations, especially England are going to have a huge advantage. Every country can find 1 or 2 half decent players, but 4, not a chance. Even an irrelevant darts nation has a chance if they have a Paul Lim or a De Sousa. That adds to the unpredictability and the variety of the current event.

Combining into larger teams seems good enough though.
An Asia team would have Asada, Lim, Leung, Ilagan, or a few other names.
A Rest of Europe team would have Van den Bergh, Ratajski, Suljovic, de Sousa, and I'm voiding names like Razma, Labanauskas, Reyes, Larsson.

Netherlands or Scotland+Wales would have a hard fight against that Rest of Europe team.

Not a bad idea in theory but completely takes away the point of the event imo. I wouldn't mind if this tournament existed alongside the World Cup but I certainly wouldn't replace the WC with it.

Like it or not, the World Cup is strategically important, just like the World Series are. You can criticise them all you like but they are here to stay because the PDC have their own reasons. I don't give a crap about the World Series personally, but just because I don't enjoy it, I don't throw ideas around to reform it, or to even better, scrap it. People who say the latter are pretty short-sighted.

[tungsten tossers]

England

Cross
Smith
Chizzy
Wade
Duzza

Christ

aspinal would be in there.. shame that he didn't do better this week as he could of overtaken Cross

[vizIIsto]

Having 4 player teams just means the big nations, especially England are going to have a huge advantage. Every country can find 1 or 2 half decent players, but 4, not a chance. Even an irrelevant darts nation has a chance if they have a Paul Lim or a De Sousa. That adds to the unpredictability and the variety of the current event.

Combining into larger teams seems good enough though.
An Asia team would have Asada, Lim, Leung, Ilagan, or a few other names.
A Rest of Europe team would have Van den Bergh, Ratajski, Suljovic, de Sousa, and I'm voiding names like Razma, Labanauskas, Reyes, Larsson.

Netherlands or Scotland+Wales would have a hard fight against that Rest of Europe team.

Not a bad idea in theory but completely takes away the point of the event imo. I wouldn't mind if this tournament existed alongside the World Cup but I certainly wouldn't replace the WC with it.

Like it or not, the World Cup is strategically important, just like the World Series are. You can criticise them all you like but they are here to stay because the PDC have their own reasons. I don't give a crap about the World Series personally, but just because I don't enjoy it, I don't throw ideas around to reform it, or to even better, scrap it. People who say the latter are pretty short-sighted.

So do you also think that people who say that The Masters or the Champions League should be removed entirely are wrong on their part?

[The Thorn]

Having 4 player teams just means the big nations, especially England are going to have a huge advantage. Every country can find 1 or 2 half decent players, but 4, not a chance. Even an irrelevant darts nation has a chance if they have a Paul Lim or a De Sousa. That adds to the unpredictability and the variety of the current event.

Combining into larger teams seems good enough though.
An Asia team would have Asada, Lim, Leung, Ilagan, or a few other names.
A Rest of Europe team would have Van den Bergh, Ratajski, Suljovic, de Sousa, and I'm voiding names like Razma, Labanauskas, Reyes, Larsson.

Netherlands or Scotland+Wales would have a hard fight against that Rest of Europe team.

Not a bad idea in theory but completely takes away the point of the event imo. I wouldn't mind if this tournament existed alongside the World Cup but I certainly wouldn't replace the WC with it.

Like it or not, the World Cup is strategically important, just like the World Series are. You can criticise them all you like but they are here to stay because the PDC have their own reasons. I don't give a crap about the World Series personally, but just because I don't enjoy it, I don't throw ideas around to reform it, or to even better, scrap it. People who say the latter are pretty short-sighted.

So do you also think that people who say that The Masters or the Champions League should be removed entirely are wrong on their part?

Yes, I do. Champions League is also strategically important with the BBC contract. Though it certainly has its faults, the production in particular was pretty bad last year. As for the Masters, it potentially could do with an overhaul, I don't think it really offers anything that another PDC tournament doesn't. However, neither of them should be removed. You can choose not to watch them.

[tungsten tossers]

Having 4 player teams just means the big nations, especially England are going to have a huge advantage. Every country can find 1 or 2 half decent players, but 4, not a chance. Even an irrelevant darts nation has a chance if they have a Paul Lim or a De Sousa. That adds to the unpredictability and the variety of the current event.

Combining into larger teams seems good enough though.
An Asia team would have Asada, Lim, Leung, Ilagan, or a few other names.
A Rest of Europe team would have Van den Bergh, Ratajski, Suljovic, de Sousa, and I'm voiding names like Razma, Labanauskas, Reyes, Larsson.

Netherlands or Scotland+Wales would have a hard fight against that Rest of Europe team.

Not a bad idea in theory but completely takes away the point of the event imo. I wouldn't mind if this tournament existed alongside the World Cup but I certainly wouldn't replace the WC with it.

Like it or not, the World Cup is strategically important, just like the World Series are. You can criticise them all you like but they are here to stay because the PDC have their own reasons. I don't give a crap about the World Series personally, but just because I don't enjoy it, I don't throw ideas around to reform it, or to even better, scrap it. People who say the latter are pretty short-sighted.

So do you also think that people who say that The Masters or the Champions League should be removed entirely are wrong on their part?

I think that the masters and CL are different, the masters is a bit of a damp squib being the first event after the worlds, and it being unranked.
The CL to me is pointless as it is just the top 8, who the majority have played each other twice already in the PL,
The WC and WS are promotional events to showcase darts around the world, and are very important to the PDC.

I wish that they could do something more with the WC, but I am not sure what would be the best wsy to do it

EDIT.. I forgot about itbeing on the BBC

[Randall]

England

Cross
Smith
Chizzy
Wade
Duzza

Christ

aspinal would be in there.. shame that he didn't do better this week as he could of overtaken Cross

Of course forgot him