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Post by fandarts » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:22 pm

you know what i mean, like the wdt and idl , when hearn pulled the pdc troops out because of the pounding they took
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Post by oche balboa » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:28 pm

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Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:29 pm

OK very briefly.

PDC: 0, 0, 1 (PT/DP), 1 (PT/DP), 1 (PT/RH), 2 (PT/JL, PT/AW), 1 (DP/PM), 1 (PT/LF), 1 (JP/SB), 1 (PT/JP), 1 (PT/WM)

BDO: 0, 0, 1 (SB/MA), 1 (LW/PW), 1 (RB/KP), 1 (KP/RW). 2 (CM/RVB, TH/CM), 2 (JW/MK, MP/JP), 2 (MK/RVB, TD/MA), 1 (GA/AF), 2 (RD/SD Jr, AF/RVB)

From 1994-2004 the BDO win 13-10 in this market.

Somewhat telling that the PDC only had two such games without Taylor whereas the most any BDO lad had was Barney with 3.

Take Taylor out and the PDC have 2.
Take Barney out and the BDO have 10.

Strength in depth.

I couldn't be arsed typing full names but most of them should be fairly obvious. They're chronologically ordered so if people are bothered they can look for themselves who SB was in 1996.
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Post by Sprocket501 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:33 pm

jrwfsl147 wrote:OK very briefly.

PDC: 0, 0, 1 (PT/DP), 1 (PT/DP), 1 (PT/RH), 2 (PT/JL, PT/AW), 1 (DP/PM), 1 (PT/LF), 1 (JP/SB), 1 (PT/JP), 1 (PT/WM)

BDO: 0, 0, 1 (SB/MA), 1 (LW/PW), 1 (RB/KP), 1 (KP/RW). 2 (CM/RVB, TH/CM), 2 (JW/MK, MP/JP), 2 (MK/RVB, TD/MA), 1 (GA/AF), 2 (RD/SD Jr, AF/RVB)

From 1994-2004 the BDO win 13-10 in this market.

Somewhat telling that the PDC only had two such games without Taylor whereas the most any BDO lad had was Barney with 3.

Take Taylor out and the PDC have 2.
Take Barney out and the BDO have 10.

Strength in depth.

I couldn't be arsed typing full names but most of them should be fairly obvious. They're chronologically ordered so if people are bothered they can look for themselves who SB was in 1996.
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Post by Justin Credible » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:34 pm

fandarts wrote:you know what i mean, like the wdt and idl , when hearn pulled the pdc troops out because of the pounding they took

The IDL and WDT was killed by the bdo.

Allow me to educate you yet again,

The WDT and IDL were competitions sanctioned by the WDF, not the bdo, run by independent people with the backing of a tv network.
Initially it was to contain only bdo players, however the broadcasters who could pick the invited players opted to allow PDC players enter.

Still with me ?

As soon as the PDC starting winning the objections by the BDO grew til it reached a point where the bdo/wdf demanded the withdrawal of PDC players, the broadcaster stated they had the right to invite who they liked, which was true.
The BDO with WDF backing threatened to sue.

In an effort not to be drawn into another legal battle Barry Hearn withdrew the PDC players and he set about making his own cross code version where he and the PDC could run it their way without influence,

Still with me ?

Uncle Barry was then sure enough sued, but since it was the bdo/wdf that instigated the demise, the bdo/wdf promoters lost their case against the broadcasters and the PDC.
You want people to believe Barry Hearn was responsible for the collapse of the WDT & IDL but thats you sadly trying to airbrush history to suit your agenda.

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Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:34 pm

The above proves that even in a hand-picked stat by JC the BDO win.

Here's another fun fact. In the entire time of the group stage in the PDC Worlds only once did both players have over 90 averages. That was Harrington/Wilson in 94.

The other 119 group matches failed to hit this standard.

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Post by M H » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:39 pm

The stats are skewed and I think young Wade knows as such. Were we to take pure 90+ averages the PDC overtakes the BDO around 2002 if I remember rightly then never look back.
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Post by Cooking with Sandra » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:43 pm

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Cooking with Sanchez wrote:Any answer as to when the board was introduced yet?

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Post by M H » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:46 pm

Cooking with Sanchez wrote:Any answer as to when the board was introduced yet?
Dunno, don't care, never have, never will
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Post by Justin Credible » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:47 pm

jrwfsl147 wrote:The above proves that even in a hand-picked stat by JC the BDO win.

Here's another fun fact. In the entire time of the group stage in the PDC Worlds only once did both players have over 90 averages. That was Harrington/Wilson in 94.

The other 119 group matches failed to hit this standard.

What a joke.

all these facts still dont change the initial argument.

Its all deflection, the point was Walton would not have won the world title in a unified field, nor would klaasen and countless others,
By your own admission Taylor was head and shoulders above everyone else so only reasonable to expect a player as good as him averaging more, with more big time experince would win.

Spewing stats that have no bearing on the initial argument does not change a thing., except take the subject away from you being a creepy bastard and someone who should not be near children.
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Post by Cooking with Sandra » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:48 pm

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Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:50 pm

M H wrote:The stats are skewed and I think young Wade knows as such. Were we to take pure 90+ averages the PDC overtakes the BDO around 2002 if I remember rightly then never look back.
The point was which organisation WAS stronger back in the day not now.

If someone claimed the BDO was stronger now I'd have said the opposite.

DO had a decade from 95-04 where they won the both players average 90 market for every year.

I've not manipulated the stats.The reason I went for both players averaging 90 rather than one is because it's a two player game and it's only interesting if both players play well.
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Post by M H » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:52 pm

jrwfsl147 wrote:
M H wrote:The stats are skewed and I think young Wade knows as such. Were we to take pure 90+ averages the PDC overtakes the BDO around 2002 if I remember rightly then never look back.
The point was which organisation WAS stronger back in the day not now.

If someone claimed the BDO was stronger now I'd have said the opposite.

DO had a decade from 95-04 where they won the both players average 90 market for every year.

I've not manipulated the stats.The reason I went for both players averaging 90 rather than one is because it's a two player game and it's only interesting if both players play well.
Omitting every 90 plus average because an opponent didn't achieve similar seriously skews the exercise. It's all or nothing I'm afraid
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Re: 18 QUESTIONS

Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:57 pm

I've just done it and between 1994-2002 BDO win 231-139

Dominant.
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Post by Justin Credible » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:59 pm

M H wrote:
jrwfsl147 wrote:
M H wrote:The stats are skewed and I think young Wade knows as such. Were we to take pure 90+ averages the PDC overtakes the BDO around 2002 if I remember rightly then never look back.
The point was which organisation WAS stronger back in the day not now.

If someone claimed the BDO was stronger now I'd have said the opposite.

DO had a decade from 95-04 where they won the both players average 90 market for every year.

I've not manipulated the stats.The reason I went for both players averaging 90 rather than one is because it's a two player game and it's only interesting if both players play well.
Omitting every 90 plus average because an opponent didn't achieve similar seriously skews the exercise. It's all or nothing I'm afraid

I seem to recall when bdo gimps would claim its not about averages but wins
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jrwfsl147 wrote:I've just done it and between 1994-2002 BDO win 231-139

Dominant.
And after 2002?
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Post by Cooking with Sandra » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:02 pm

Eclipse was introduced in 2002...
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Post by Justin Credible » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:05 pm

Jobber wrote:Every passing comp only reinforces my view that beaton, walton, jelle etc got lucky. Taylor's wc title wins have always been more authentic to me.

the danger to children fakewade believes walton beaton and jelle would have beaton taylor in a unified field.

or else he is posting utter nonsense to deflect from the truth that none of those 3 players would have ever won a title in a unified field
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Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:07 pm

Justin Credible wrote:
Jobber wrote:Every passing comp only reinforces my view that beaton, walton, jelle etc got lucky. Taylor's wc title wins have always been more authentic to me.

the danger to children fakewade believes walton beaton and jelle would have beaton taylor in a unified field.

or else he is posting utter nonsense to deflect from the truth that none of those 3 players would have ever won a title in a unified field
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