18 QUESTIONS

[Justin Credible]

Walton played excellent the year he won his title. 100 ave in first round, followed by 3 aves in the high 90s.

am sure not just taylor but priestley

one lucky week, and that same year on his way to the title taylor had a better record average wise than walton, taylor had 3 ton plus averages, which only reinforves my belief no matter how good walton may have been for the single week of his life, he would have won nothing were there no split, taylor would have buried him

you can do the same for the next year with klaasen and his lucky week where his counterpart taylor had overall far superior averages.
Part was lucky against a washed up bobby george, and I suspect if i went through a lot more you would find a similar case

[Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account]

Walton played excellent the year he won his title. 100 ave in first round, followed by 3 aves in the high 90s.

am sure not just taylor but priestley

one lucky week, and that same year on his way to the title taylor had a better record average wise than walton, taylor had 3 ton plus averages, which only reinforves my belief no matter how good walton may have been for the single week of his life, he would have won nothing were there no split, taylor would have buried him

you can do the same for the next year with klaasen and his lucky week where his counterpart taylor had overall far superior averages.
Part was lucky against a washed up bobby george, and I suspect if i went through a lot more you would find a similar case

Just spent 45 mins doing so.

Aside from Part you appear to be full of shit.

[Dicie]

Walton played excellent the year he won his title. 100 ave in first round, followed by 3 aves in the high 90s.

am sure not just taylor but priestley

one lucky week, and that same year on his way to the title taylor had a better record average wise than walton, taylor had 3 ton plus averages, which only reinforves my belief no matter how good walton may have been for the single week of his life, he would have won nothing were there no split, taylor would have buried him

you can do the same for the next year with klaasen and his lucky week where his counterpart taylor had overall far superior averages.
Part was lucky against a washed up bobby george, and I suspect if i went through a lot more you would find a similar case

Single week?

He won the masters a few months previous.

Walton at that time was possibly the 4th best player on the planet.

It doesnt matter if its a good week, a good day, or a good hour, once you do it, it proves it can be done. Klaasen didnt do the same as walton. Klaasen didnt win the masters just before the embassy/lakeside.

Other thing is, you compare everyone to what Taylor done. But in reality, when taylor was playing well, no one on either side code beat him. Does that make the whole of the pdc shitbags? No. Taylor is what he is, unique. A one off. Never ever will we see his likes again, or the figures he produced leg on leg, set on set, competition after competition.

Some of the performances within lakeside are excellent. Winstanleys run to the final for me was exciting, i actually still think he can be a top 16 player within the PDC.
Klaasens title can never be taken off him either. DOnt like what the cunt done, but you cant take it away from him, he has the game to beat top class players. Just not consistently.

But (Thou im not fuckin fan of walton) it cant be taken from him, that at the time, imo, he was in the top 4 or 5 on the planet.

[Dicie]

walton under no pressure due to amount of jobbers

Jobbers?

Barney
Adams
Painter
Hankey
Baxter
Mardle
King.

Hardly.

No Taylors in among them, but not jobbers.

[Dicie]

As much as a good player has a good week, a bad player can be off form as well

Kevin Spiolek (86.49) 3
Phil Taylor (87.93) 1

Lets be honest, Spiolek was no world beater.

[Dicie]

Lowe beat warrinner that year in the final, with an 83 average.
Doesnt matter that the standard wasnt great. He stil won another title.

Sometimes armchair fans get to caught up with averages, when in reality, its all about winning.

[Sprocket501]

Never claimed they were.

You've piqued my interest so here is a list of number of games at both World Championships where both players had a 90 plus average.

Starting from the start. For ease of following the WDC will be referred to as the PDC.

Using darts database for the stats.

1994
PDC: 4 (Priestley/Wilson, Taylor/Anderson, Taylor/Brown, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 0

1995
PDC: 1 (Taylor/Lowe)
BDO: 7 (Barney/Wallace, Monk/Thynne, Barney/Monk, Barney/Adams, Barney/Burnett, Fordham/Williams, Adams/Gregory)

1996
PDC: 2 (Priestly/Warriner, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 5 (Beaton/Stompe, Clark/Barney, Beaton/Adams, Burnett/Baxter, Fordham/Beaton)

1997
PDC: 3 (Priestley/Harrington, Priestley/Evison, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 8 (Carter/Adams, Wallace/Taylor, Barney/Wallace, King/Baxter, King/Scholten, Wallace/Williams, Wallace/King, Wallace/James)

1998
PDC: 2 (Taylor/Harrington, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 10 (King/Clark, Widdows/Adams, Burnett/Painter, Monk/Widdows, Hankey/King, Fordham/Barney, Barney/Beaton, Hankey/Monk, Barney/Monk, Barney/Burnett)

1999
PDC: 6 (Burgess/Harrington, Taylor/Lowe, Manley/Smith, Manley/Burgess, Taylor/Warriner, Taylor/Manley)
BDO: 11 (Wallace/Cunningham, Barney/Paffrey, Hankey/Carter, Mason/Davies, Adams/Gregory, Painter/Widdows, Baxter/Burnett, Fordham/King, Mason/Adams, Barney/Mason, Barney/Baxter)

2000:
PDC: 5 (Lowe/Harrington, Smith/Part, Taylor/Warriner, Priestley/Manley, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 11 (Barney/Mason, Beaton/Hunt, Coote/Adams, King/Fitton, Fordham/Beaton, Painter/Widdows, Monk/Davies, Mason/Fordham, Baxter/Monk, Hankey/Mason, Baxter/Stompe)

2001
PDC: 6 (Scholten/Burgess, Harrington/Anderson, Deller/Burnett, Taylor/Fitton, Part/Harrington, Taylor/Part)
BDO: 16 (Walton/Davies, King/Mason, Baxter/Crooks, Fordham/David, Walton/King, Pusa/Porter, Baxter/Adams, Barney/Beaton, Hankey/Hinkley, Painter/Clark, Mardle/Baxter, Hankey/Barney, Fordham/Painter, Walton/Mardle, Hankey/Fordham, Walton/Hankey)

2002
PDC: 8 (Lloyd/Roy, Baxter/Smith, Part/Beaton, Taylor/Burgess, Lloyd/Burnett. Manley/Baxter, Taylor/Part, Taylor/Manley)
BDO: 10 (Barney/George, Monk/Walton, Clarys/Barney, Adams/Coote, Taylor/Stompe, Monk/Mardle, Barney/King, Adams/Jones, David/Taylor, David/Adams)

From 2003 on the PDC had more matches than the BDO. Until that point at every world champs both organisations had 31 games.

The BDO won the average-ometer 8 years on the spin.

In that time both players averaged over 90 78 times.
Conversely in the PDC both players averaged over 90 only 37 times.

As such for the decade following the split I can say without a shadow of doubt that the BDO had the stronger standard.

For purposes of completeness I'll keep going until the PDC wins. I'll only count from the last 32 on in the PDC for fairness.

2003
PDC: 7 (Mardle/Evison, Taylor/Mardle, Smith/Ovens, Mason/Lloyd, Part/Harvey, Taylor/Smith, Part/Taylor)
BDO: 8 (Adams/Stompe, Anderson/Fordham, Monk/O'Shea, Davies/David, Barney/Clarys, King/Barney, Davies/Anderson, Barney/Davies)

2004
PDC: 7 (Warriner/Lowe, Dudbridge/Part, Manley/Deller, Painter/Baxter, Taylor/Warriner, Taylor/Mardle, Taylor/Painter)
BDO: 10 (Davies/Adams, O'Shea/Robson, Davies/Duke, Barney/Walton, Fordham/Fitton, O'Shea/Hankey, King/Davies, Fordham/Barney, King/O'Shea, Fordham/King)

2005
PDC: 9 (Baxter/Jenkins, Lloyd/Mason, Dudbridge/Part, Taylor/Priestley, Anderson/Hamilton, Taylor/Painter, Dudbridge/Mardle, Taylor/Anderson, Taylor/Dudbridge)
BDO: 7 (Adams/Richardson, Barney/Veitch, Van der Voort/Eccles, Hankey/Wagner, Adams/Hankey, Barney/Fitton, Barney/Adams)

So after 10 straight defeats the PDC finally pick up a win.

The purpose of this exercise was to prove that the BDO was the stronger organisation following the split. Aside from the awkward first year this has been proven definitively.

I didn't expect it to be quite so dominant but you can't argue with 78-37.

When did the circus side start using Unicorn Eclipse boards?

[Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account]

I didn't take that into account in my calculations.

Average anorak JC will surely now come back, acknowledge that he was incorrect in demeaning the first decade of the BDO post-split and promise to do his research before he makes such forthright statements.

[Sprocket501]

I didn't take that into account in my calculations.

Average anorak JC will surely now come back, acknowledge that he was incorrect in demeaning the first decade of the BDO post-split and promise to do his research before he makes such forthright statements.

You didn't need to. These are fascinating stats if true and if the circus side only started to consistently improve on this after the introduction of Eclipses, it would say a great deal.

[Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account]

It was indeed true Sprocket.

As you well know from my PL competition I am above fiddling numbers for my own devices.

The stats also mean that the "lucky" John Walton won the standard-wise best World Championship to that point including when it was a unified field.

That standard wouldn't be beaten for several years afterwards by the PDC, and even then the players had the luxury of a last 64 warm-up game which doesn't count for the stats.

[Sprocket501]

It was indeed true Sprocket.

As you well know from my PL competition I am above fiddling numbers for my own devices.

The stats also mean that the "lucky" John Walton won the standard-wise best World Championship to that point including when it was a unified field.

That standard wouldn't be beaten for several years afterwards by the PDC, and even then the players had the luxury of a last 64 warm-up game which doesn't count for the stats.

And I am guessing, and awaiting confirmation, that the circus side standard only improved after the introduction of the Eclipse boards.

Well, well, well.

[fandarts]

Never claimed they were.

You've piqued my interest so here is a list of number of games at both World Championships where both players had a 90 plus average.

Starting from the start. For ease of following the WDC will be referred to as the PDC.

Using darts database for the stats.

1994
PDC: 4 (Priestley/Wilson, Taylor/Anderson, Taylor/Brown, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 0

1995
PDC: 1 (Taylor/Lowe)
BDO: 7 (Barney/Wallace, Monk/Thynne, Barney/Monk, Barney/Adams, Barney/Burnett, Fordham/Williams, Adams/Gregory)

1996
PDC: 2 (Priestly/Warriner, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 5 (Beaton/Stompe, Clark/Barney, Beaton/Adams, Burnett/Baxter, Fordham/Beaton)

1997
PDC: 3 (Priestley/Harrington, Priestley/Evison, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 8 (Carter/Adams, Wallace/Taylor, Barney/Wallace, King/Baxter, King/Scholten, Wallace/Williams, Wallace/King, Wallace/James)

1998
PDC: 2 (Taylor/Harrington, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 10 (King/Clark, Widdows/Adams, Burnett/Painter, Monk/Widdows, Hankey/King, Fordham/Barney, Barney/Beaton, Hankey/Monk, Barney/Monk, Barney/Burnett)

1999
PDC: 6 (Burgess/Harrington, Taylor/Lowe, Manley/Smith, Manley/Burgess, Taylor/Warriner, Taylor/Manley)
BDO: 11 (Wallace/Cunningham, Barney/Paffrey, Hankey/Carter, Mason/Davies, Adams/Gregory, Painter/Widdows, Baxter/Burnett, Fordham/King, Mason/Adams, Barney/Mason, Barney/Baxter)

2000:
PDC: 5 (Lowe/Harrington, Smith/Part, Taylor/Warriner, Priestley/Manley, Taylor/Priestley)
BDO: 11 (Barney/Mason, Beaton/Hunt, Coote/Adams, King/Fitton, Fordham/Beaton, Painter/Widdows, Monk/Davies, Mason/Fordham, Baxter/Monk, Hankey/Mason, Baxter/Stompe)

2001
PDC: 6 (Scholten/Burgess, Harrington/Anderson, Deller/Burnett, Taylor/Fitton, Part/Harrington, Taylor/Part)
BDO: 16 (Walton/Davies, King/Mason, Baxter/Crooks, Fordham/David, Walton/King, Pusa/Porter, Baxter/Adams, Barney/Beaton, Hankey/Hinkley, Painter/Clark, Mardle/Baxter, Hankey/Barney, Fordham/Painter, Walton/Mardle, Hankey/Fordham, Walton/Hankey)

2002
PDC: 8 (Lloyd/Roy, Baxter/Smith, Part/Beaton, Taylor/Burgess, Lloyd/Burnett. Manley/Baxter, Taylor/Part, Taylor/Manley)
BDO: 10 (Barney/George, Monk/Walton, Clarys/Barney, Adams/Coote, Taylor/Stompe, Monk/Mardle, Barney/King, Adams/Jones, David/Taylor, David/Adams)

From 2003 on the PDC had more matches than the BDO. Until that point at every world champs both organisations had 31 games.

The BDO won the average-ometer 8 years on the spin.

In that time both players averaged over 90 78 times.
Conversely in the PDC both players averaged over 90 only 37 times.

As such for the decade following the split I can say without a shadow of doubt that the BDO had the stronger standard.

For purposes of completeness I'll keep going until the PDC wins. I'll only count from the last 32 on in the PDC for fairness.

2003
PDC: 7 (Mardle/Evison, Taylor/Mardle, Smith/Ovens, Mason/Lloyd, Part/Harvey, Taylor/Smith, Part/Taylor)
BDO: 8 (Adams/Stompe, Anderson/Fordham, Monk/O'Shea, Davies/David, Barney/Clarys, King/Barney, Davies/Anderson, Barney/Davies)

2004
PDC: 7 (Warriner/Lowe, Dudbridge/Part, Manley/Deller, Painter/Baxter, Taylor/Warriner, Taylor/Mardle, Taylor/Painter)
BDO: 10 (Davies/Adams, O'Shea/Robson, Davies/Duke, Barney/Walton, Fordham/Fitton, O'Shea/Hankey, King/Davies, Fordham/Barney, King/O'Shea, Fordham/King)

2005
PDC: 9 (Baxter/Jenkins, Lloyd/Mason, Dudbridge/Part, Taylor/Priestley, Anderson/Hamilton, Taylor/Painter, Dudbridge/Mardle, Taylor/Anderson, Taylor/Dudbridge)
BDO: 7 (Adams/Richardson, Barney/Veitch, Van der Voort/Eccles, Hankey/Wagner, Adams/Hankey, Barney/Fitton, Barney/Adams)

So after 10 straight defeats the PDC finally pick up a win.

The purpose of this exercise was to prove that the BDO was the stronger organisation following the split. Aside from the awkward first year this has been proven definitively.

I didn't expect it to be quite so dominant but you can't argue with 78-37.

a damning indictment of taylors"titles"

[Justin Credible]

I didn't take that into account in my calculations.

Average anorak JC will surely now come back, acknowledge that he was incorrect in demeaning the first decade of the BDO post-split and promise to do his research before he makes such forthright statements.

go back and do the same with averages ober 95 and see how things change.
Fact is spineless won nothing ever in darts of note til the split
Walton for all the praise he gets did far less than taylor that year, and make no mistake without the split kist spineless tony bleedin david, john walton a host of others would never have won a title.
Part did worse as I stated as did klaasen in comparison as I stated, so I was not wrong.

[fandarts]

jc changing the goalposts when fadewade shows him up for the gimp he is

[Justin Credible]

It was indeed true Sprocket.

As you well know from my PL competition I am above fiddling numbers for my own devices.

The stats also mean that the "lucky" John Walton won the standard-wise best World Championship to that point including when it was a unified field.

That standard wouldn't be beaten for several years afterwards by the PDC, and even then the players had the luxury of a last 64 warm-up game which doesn't count for the stats.

And I am guessing, and awaiting confirmation, that the circus side standard only improved after the introduction of the Eclipse boards.

Well, well, well.

then how come the bdo players fail so miserably at the GSoD ?
Take away waites, they have been pretty shit.

Still I guess when you are reduced to sucking up to a creepy bastard in fakewade, you must really miss ginge eh sprocket.
You seem lost without him, turned in to a sad pale shadow of the poster you were, and things must be really shit on DF to have you posting here,.

[fandarts]

jc throwing ginge into the equation in a deflection attempt, fuck me that's sad

[Sprocket501]

jc throwing ginge into the equation in a deflection attempt, fuck me that's sad

I am not sure how the fanboys can come back from these damning stats. It is all over.

[fandarts]

toyboards, that's how they improved, took fakewade to shut jc's mouth , mind you, fair play

[Justin Credible]

jc throwing ginge into the equation in a deflection attempt, fuck me that's sad

says the guy who started threads on ginge.

Dont change the facts concerning the darts, which you seemed to gloss over very quickly

[fandarts]

It was indeed true Sprocket.

As you well know from my PL competition I am above fiddling numbers for my own devices.

The stats also mean that the "lucky" John Walton won the standard-wise best World Championship to that point including when it was a unified field.

That standard wouldn't be beaten for several years afterwards by the PDC, and even then the players had the luxury of a last 64 warm-up game which doesn't count for the stats.

And I am guessing, and awaiting confirmation, that the circus side standard only improved after the introduction of the Eclipse boards.

Well, well, well.

then how come the bdo players fail so miserably at the GSoD ?
Take away waites, they have been pretty shit.

Still I guess when you are reduced to sucking up to a creepy bastard in fakewade, you must really miss ginge eh sprocket.
You seem lost without him, turned in to a sad pale shadow of the poster you were, and things must be really shit on DF to have you posting here,.

are you thick? fakewade highlighted the years in question, the pdc has creamed most of the bdo at this stage at the top end of the players, the bdo were the stronger organisation till a few years ago, stats don't lie, taylors titles aren't worth a tinkers toss