Boxing

[sennafan24]

He does need to be fighting better though. Warren has implied he would put him in with Bakole.
A step up for Moses would be someone like Dave Allen/ David Adeleye. He would likely then beat them, then someone like Hughie Fury, who has a decent chin and is durable.

Allen, Adeleye and Fury would be wastes of time.

I would like to see him fight Bakole or Hrgović before the end of the year.

Why would Hughie Fury be a waste of time fight?
Fury is durable and can take a punch, he is also awkward so could likely frustrate Moses. This would be a fight where he is having to deal with an awkward style and someone who is durable.
This would be a great learning curve fight.
Both 3 opponents Ive mentioned are still better than anything Moses has fought to date.

1. Eye test

2. Things I've read about him from people whose opinions I respect and who have followed his progress closely.

I think you might have quoted the wrong post.
Moses is certainly promising, but to throw him in with a Bakole now would be madness. I think Bakole is overrated by the way.

It is heavyweight, so one shot can change anything.

But I would fully expect Moses to beat Bakole with little bother if the fight was made at the end of the year.

[HalloweenJack]

Allen, Adeleye and Fury would be wastes of time.

I would like to see him fight Bakole or Hrgović before the end of the year.

Why would Hughie Fury be a waste of time fight?
Fury is durable and can take a punch, he is also awkward so could likely frustrate Moses. This would be a fight where he is having to deal with an awkward style and someone who is durable.
This would be a great learning curve fight.
Both 3 opponents Ive mentioned are still better than anything Moses has fought to date.

Fury was inactive for 3 years and has only this past year returned fighting at a low level. Wach was also meant to have a good chin, as he took Clarke, Whyte and Lerena the distance, yet it didn't hold up against Itauma.

Fury was never that good when he was relevant either. An ancient Povetkin beat him easily.

It would be better for Itauma to fight Wallin next then Bakole.

The same Povetkin who in his fight previous to fighting Fury challenged Joshua for his belts and who after Fury sparked out Dillian Whyte.
I’ve not claimed Hughie Fury was great ( although I do think he could have got the nod against Parker)

Povetkin looked like crap before he caught Whyte in their first meeting (I never rated Whyte anyway)

It's a myth that Fury should have got the nod against Parker. It was a draw at best for Fury.

Moses lamps that version of Fury. He decimates the current version. He's ready for better opposition.

‘Subjective’ on all 3 points, especially the second and third.
To decimate Fury, he has to hit him. Yea I think Moses would win but I could see it going the distance. Nobody has so much as wobbled or hurt Fury. Let’s not forget he is only 30 himself so it’s not like he legs will have gone.

[sennafan24]

Wallin was a disgrace vs old delboy, not sure he deserves another payday after than performance.

Can definitely see that happening though, wallin is another I can't stand watching, barely throws.

I think the Wallin fight is a sensible step up. It's at least a name people know who has recently boxed world ranked opposition.

But really, I think Moses is ready for Bakole and the like now. I'd think he'd piss it against them.

Why do you think he is ready for someone like Bakole now based on the low level opposition he has been fighting?

Btw, your post is a perfect example of perception lagging behind reality.

Back in the summer of 2020 I told anyone who would listen that Usyk would beat Joshua, few agreed with me. We all know what happened next.

It wasn't that I was some expert fortune teller or a boxing savant. I made that prediction purely because I had actually followed Usyk's career and realised how good he was (most had not), and knew who to listen to regarding how the pair matched up.

Same applies here.

[sennafan24]

Why would Hughie Fury be a waste of time fight?
Fury is durable and can take a punch, he is also awkward so could likely frustrate Moses. This would be a fight where he is having to deal with an awkward style and someone who is durable.
This would be a great learning curve fight.
Both 3 opponents Ive mentioned are still better than anything Moses has fought to date.

Fury was inactive for 3 years and has only this past year returned fighting at a low level. Wach was also meant to have a good chin, as he took Clarke, Whyte and Lerena the distance, yet it didn't hold up against Itauma.

Fury was never that good when he was relevant either. An ancient Povetkin beat him easily.

It would be better for Itauma to fight Wallin next then Bakole.

The same Povetkin who in his fight previous to fighting Fury challenged Joshua for his belts and who after Fury sparked out Dillian Whyte.
I’ve not claimed Hughie Fury was great ( although I do think he could have got the nod against Parker)

Povetkin looked like crap before he caught Whyte in their first meeting (I never rated Whyte anyway)

It's a myth that Fury should have got the nod against Parker. It was a draw at best for Fury.

Moses lamps that version of Fury. He decimates the current version. He's ready for better opposition.

‘Subjective’ on all 3 points, especially the second and third.
To decimate Fury, he has to hit him. Yea I think Moses would win but I could see it going the distance. Nobody has so much as wobbled or hurt Fury. Let’s not forget he is only 30 himself so it’s not like he legs will have gone.

Nobody had decimated Wach as easily as Moses did. Just because Hughie hasn't been sparked, doesn't mean his chin would hold up. It just means he hasn't boxed anyone as canny and powerful as Itauma.

[HalloweenJack]

Wallin was a disgrace vs old delboy, not sure he deserves another payday after than performance.

Can definitely see that happening though, wallin is another I can't stand watching, barely throws.

I think the Wallin fight is a sensible step up. It's at least a name people know who has recently boxed world ranked opposition.

But really, I think Moses is ready for Bakole and the like now. I'd think he'd piss it against them.

Why do you think he is ready for someone like Bakole now based on the low level opposition he has been fighting?

Btw, your post is a perfect example of perception lagging behind reality.

Back in the summer of 2020 I told anyone who would listen that Usyk would beat Joshua, few agreed with me. We all know what happened next.

It wasn't that I was some expert fortune teller or a boxing savant. I made that prediction purely because I had actually followed Usyk's career and realised how good he was (most had not), and knew who to listen to regarding how the pair matched up.

Same applies here.

I think I tipped Usyk to beat AJ in fairness, mainly because AJ is the most over hyped British fighter since I can remember.

[HalloweenJack]

AJ was terrible for 5 rounds or so and fought petrified and when he actually had a go he almost dropped Dubois other two wins don't impress me much to be honest, one obese yank mess and the Croatian looked shite vs zhang and Joycey.

I think Dubois gets stopped again, fairplay if he wins though, I'll definitely give him credit.

He didn’t almost drop Dubois though, he slightly buzzed him at best. Literally seconds later AJ was doing his break dancing impression trying to get up.

[HalloweenJack]

I'm definitely looking forward to finding out as the opposition improves, but hw division anyone can be flattened anyway but still nice to be durable, I don't think dimwit Dubois is that durable for example, he can fold.

I was never sold on Dubois. If anything, he has overachieved as of late in my eyes.

I'm far more sold on Itauma based on what I have seen and read.

If Dubois beats Usyk, which is a massive if, I suspect Itauma will dethrone him.

Dubois is currently the second best active heavyweight. His last 3 wins have been very good, I believe he was the underdog in all 3 Dubois has his flaws but he is probably the biggest puncher currently and for me has a brilliant jab.

[sennafan24]

Wallin was a disgrace vs old delboy, not sure he deserves another payday after than performance.

Can definitely see that happening though, wallin is another I can't stand watching, barely throws.

I think the Wallin fight is a sensible step up. It's at least a name people know who has recently boxed world ranked opposition.

But really, I think Moses is ready for Bakole and the like now. I'd think he'd piss it against them.

Why do you think he is ready for someone like Bakole now based on the low level opposition he has been fighting?

Btw, your post is a perfect example of perception lagging behind reality.

Back in the summer of 2020 I told anyone who would listen that Usyk would beat Joshua, few agreed with me. We all know what happened next.

It wasn't that I was some expert fortune teller or a boxing savant. I made that prediction purely because I had actually followed Usyk's career and realised how good he was (most had not), and knew who to listen to regarding how the pair matched up.

Same applies here.

I think I tipped Usyk to beat AJ in fairness, mainly because AJ is the most over hyped British fighter since I can remember.

But it wasn’t a commonly held view. Joshua started the first fight as favourite with the bookies.

It was the same with Price and Fury. There was a time where Fury was typically seen as a joke and Price as a legitimate world title contender. A boxing historian called Kyle McLachlan (Flea Man on forums) didn't see it that way and was later proven correct (he picked Fury to beat Wlad, something few did).

I suspect it will not be long before people realise how good Itauma is.

[sennafan24]

I'm definitely looking forward to finding out as the opposition improves, but hw division anyone can be flattened anyway but still nice to be durable, I don't think dimwit Dubois is that durable for example, he can fold.

I was never sold on Dubois. If anything, he has overachieved as of late in my eyes.

I'm far more sold on Itauma based on what I have seen and read.

If Dubois beats Usyk, which is a massive if, I suspect Itauma will dethrone him.

Dubois is currently the second best active heavyweight. His last 3 wins have been very good, I believe he was the underdog in all 3 Dubois has his flaws but he is probably the biggest puncher currently and for me has a brilliant jab.

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

[HalloweenJack]

I'm definitely looking forward to finding out as the opposition improves, but hw division anyone can be flattened anyway but still nice to be durable, I don't think dimwit Dubois is that durable for example, he can fold.

I was never sold on Dubois. If anything, he has overachieved as of late in my eyes.

I'm far more sold on Itauma based on what I have seen and read.

If Dubois beats Usyk, which is a massive if, I suspect Itauma will dethrone him.

Dubois is currently the second best active heavyweight. His last 3 wins have been very good, I believe he was the underdog in all 3 Dubois has his flaws but he is probably the biggest puncher currently and for me has a brilliant jab.

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

If Dubois fought Itauma now, Dubois would almost certainly knock him out.

[sennafan24]

AJ was terrible for 5 rounds or so and fought petrified and when he actually had a go he almost dropped Dubois other two wins don't impress me much to be honest, one obese yank mess and the Croatian looked shite vs zhang and Joycey.

I think Dubois gets stopped again, fairplay if he wins though, I'll definitely give him credit.

He didn’t almost drop Dubois though, he slightly buzzed him at best. Literally seconds later AJ was doing his break dancing impression trying to get up.

Joshua did genuinely rock him. Joshua then reverted to swinging with too much gusto, which had got him in trouble against Ruiz and Whyte, and got sparked yet again.

That exchange is more damming on Joshua than it is complimentary towards Dubois.

[sennafan24]

I'm definitely looking forward to finding out as the opposition improves, but hw division anyone can be flattened anyway but still nice to be durable, I don't think dimwit Dubois is that durable for example, he can fold.

I was never sold on Dubois. If anything, he has overachieved as of late in my eyes.

I'm far more sold on Itauma based on what I have seen and read.

If Dubois beats Usyk, which is a massive if, I suspect Itauma will dethrone him.

Dubois is currently the second best active heavyweight. His last 3 wins have been very good, I believe he was the underdog in all 3 Dubois has his flaws but he is probably the biggest puncher currently and for me has a brilliant jab.

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

If Dubois fought Itauma now, Dubois would almost certainly knock him out.

Even if that is true, which is a massive if, so he should at this stage of their careers.

Give it 18 months and I will confidently predict that Itauma beats Dubois.

[HalloweenJack]

AJ was terrible for 5 rounds or so and fought petrified and when he actually had a go he almost dropped Dubois other two wins don't impress me much to be honest, one obese yank mess and the Croatian looked shite vs zhang and Joycey.

I think Dubois gets stopped again, fairplay if he wins though, I'll definitely give him credit.

He didn’t almost drop Dubois though, he slightly buzzed him at best. Literally seconds later AJ was doing his break dancing impression trying to get up.

Joshua did genuinely rock him. Joshua then reverted to swinging with too much gusto, which had got him in trouble against Ruiz and Whyte, and got sparked yet again.

That exchange is more damming on Joshua than it is complimentary towards Dubois.

You are banging on about Moses like I was about Harry Brook. I was proved right about him, you may well be right about Moses ( and there’s a good chance you will be) but he hasn’t done it yet.

[HalloweenJack]

AJ was terrible for 5 rounds or so and fought petrified and when he actually had a go he almost dropped Dubois other two wins don't impress me much to be honest, one obese yank mess and the Croatian looked shite vs zhang and Joycey.

I think Dubois gets stopped again, fairplay if he wins though, I'll definitely give him credit.

He didn’t almost drop Dubois though, he slightly buzzed him at best. Literally seconds later AJ was doing his break dancing impression trying to get up.

Joshua did genuinely rock him. Joshua then reverted to swinging with too much gusto, which had got him in trouble against Ruiz and Whyte, and got sparked yet again.

That exchange is more damming on Joshua than it is complimentary towards Dubois.

Joshua had been battered throughout the fight so was arguably fighting through a haze. Dubois was buzzed but not in any serious trouble or looking like being dropped. Dubois timed him perfectly when Joshua was swinging wildly. That punch did win knockout of the year.

[HalloweenJack]

I was never sold on Dubois. If anything, he has overachieved as of late in my eyes.

I'm far more sold on Itauma based on what I have seen and read.

If Dubois beats Usyk, which is a massive if, I suspect Itauma will dethrone him.

Dubois is currently the second best active heavyweight. His last 3 wins have been very good, I believe he was the underdog in all 3 Dubois has his flaws but he is probably the biggest puncher currently and for me has a brilliant jab.

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

If Dubois fought Itauma now, Dubois would almost certainly knock him out.

Even if that is true, which is a massive if, so he should at this stage of their careers.

Give it 18 months and I will confidently predict that Itauma beats Dubois.

18 months then maybe, certainly not now.

[sennafan24]

AJ was terrible for 5 rounds or so and fought petrified and when he actually had a go he almost dropped Dubois other two wins don't impress me much to be honest, one obese yank mess and the Croatian looked shite vs zhang and Joycey.

I think Dubois gets stopped again, fairplay if he wins though, I'll definitely give him credit.

He didn’t almost drop Dubois though, he slightly buzzed him at best. Literally seconds later AJ was doing his break dancing impression trying to get up.

Joshua did genuinely rock him. Joshua then reverted to swinging with too much gusto, which had got him in trouble against Ruiz and Whyte, and got sparked yet again.

That exchange is more damming on Joshua than it is complimentary towards Dubois.

Joshua had been battered throughout the fight so was arguably fighting through a haze. Dubois was buzzed but not in any serious trouble or looking like being dropped. Dubois timed him perfectly when Joshua was swinging wildly. That punch did win knockout of the year.

I've read the "haze" argument.

I don't fully buy it given Joshua's past form of swinging wildly and getting buzzed.

[sennafan24]

Dubois is currently the second best active heavyweight. His last 3 wins have been very good, I believe he was the underdog in all 3 Dubois has his flaws but he is probably the biggest puncher currently and for me has a brilliant jab.

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

If Dubois fought Itauma now, Dubois would almost certainly knock him out.

Even if that is true, which is a massive if, so he should at this stage of their careers.

Give it 18 months and I will confidently predict that Itauma beats Dubois.

18 months then maybe, certainly not now.

The fact you have to compare them as they stand now to compliment Dubois is telling.

[sennafan24]

Dubois is currently the second best active heavyweight. His last 3 wins have been very good, I believe he was the underdog in all 3 Dubois has his flaws but he is probably the biggest puncher currently and for me has a brilliant jab.

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

If Dubois fought Itauma now, Dubois would almost certainly knock him out.

Even if that is true, which is a massive if, so he should at this stage of their careers.

Give it 18 months and I will confidently predict that Itauma beats Dubois.

18 months then maybe, certainly not now.

Btw, Itauma smashes Fury if he returns.

[HalloweenJack]

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

If Dubois fought Itauma now, Dubois would almost certainly knock him out.

Even if that is true, which is a massive if, so he should at this stage of their careers.

Give it 18 months and I will confidently predict that Itauma beats Dubois.

18 months then maybe, certainly not now.

The fact you have to compare them as they stand now to compliment Dubois is telling.

Not really, it’s more a case you are getting a bit over excited about Moses. You made a statement saying that if Dubois beat Usyk, Moses would likely dethrone him. Well if Dubois did beat Usyk and there wasn’t a rematch, and his first defence was against Moses. Dubois would be a huge favourite and almost certainly win.

[HalloweenJack]

He's rebuilt better than I thought he would over the past few years.

But Itauma is clearly the better talent.

If Dubois fought Itauma now, Dubois would almost certainly knock him out.

Even if that is true, which is a massive if, so he should at this stage of their careers.

Give it 18 months and I will confidently predict that Itauma beats Dubois.

18 months then maybe, certainly not now.

Btw, Itauma smashes Fury if he returns.

Stop it.