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[Jimmi]

Early 90s Andre was more Randall than Thorn.

I hope Randall doesn’t shit in bathtubs, despite his massive frame

[sennafan24]

Early 90s Andre was more Randall than Thorn.

I hope Randall doesn’t shit in bathtubs, despite his massive frame

Same cheerful attitude.

[Jimmi]

Early 90s Andre was more Randall than Thorn.

I hope Randall doesn’t shit in bathtubs, despite his massive frame

Same cheerful attitude.

Never really seen any Andre interviews, whether in character or not

[Ross, Bob]

Early 90s Andre was more Randall than Thorn.

I hope Randall doesn’t shit in bathtubs, despite his massive frame

Same cheerful attitude.

Never really seen any Andre interviews, whether in character or not

Saw a few. Complete lack of charisma. Seemed like a nice bloke though.

[Jimmi]

Early 90s Andre was more Randall than Thorn.

I hope Randall doesn’t shit in bathtubs, despite his massive frame

Same cheerful attitude.

Never really seen any Andre interviews, whether in character or not

Saw a few. Complete lack of charisma. Seemed like a nice bloke though.

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

[Ross, Bob]

I hope Randall doesn’t shit in bathtubs, despite his massive frame

Same cheerful attitude.

Never really seen any Andre interviews, whether in character or not

Saw a few. Complete lack of charisma. Seemed like a nice bloke though.

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Well you do actually. It's not difficult to find some tall cunt to wrestle.

Take that South American thing Giant Gonzalez. Tall like a redwood tree but utter shit in the ring and a complete lack of presence.

[Jimmi]

Same cheerful attitude.

Never really seen any Andre interviews, whether in character or not

Saw a few. Complete lack of charisma. Seemed like a nice bloke though.

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Well you do actually. It's not difficult to find some tall cunt to wrestle.

Take that South American thing Giant Gonzalez. Tall like a redwood tree but utter shit in the ring and a complete lack of presence.

Well, yes
That cunt was useless but look at someone like the Big Show
Fucking unit but not that much charisma
Same with The Great Khali

[sennafan24]

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Every wrestler needs charisma. Charisma = appeal.

I also don't think that size automatically = appeal. It helps sure.

But if size on its own = appeal, then Heidenreich, Matt Morgan and indeed Giant Gonzalez would have become massive stars.

[Ross, Bob]

Never really seen any Andre interviews, whether in character or not

Saw a few. Complete lack of charisma. Seemed like a nice bloke though.

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Well you do actually. It's not difficult to find some tall cunt to wrestle.

Take that South American thing Giant Gonzalez. Tall like a redwood tree but utter shit in the ring and a complete lack of presence.

Well, yes
That cunt was useless but look at someone like the Big Show
Fucking unit but not that much charisma
Same with The Great Khali

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

[sennafan24]

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

From what I've read Taker was mostly just a gimmick in the early to mid 1990s. He didn't work a crowd during his matches especially well.

However, based on his matches with Foley I've recently watched from 96-97, and his matches with Orton and Batista from the 2000s, he did develop into a performer who could work a very good match.

[Jimmi]

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Every wrestler needs charisma. Charisma = appeal.

I also don't think that size automatically = appeal. It helps sure.

But if size on its own = appeal, then Heidenreich, Matt Morgan and indeed Giant Gonzalez would have become massive stars.

Size = appeal in Vince McMahon’s eyes

Heidenreich fucking hell

Giant Gonzalez was awful out of those three but Andre would have been an attraction back in the day because most people wouldn’t have seen a man of his statue

[Jimmi]

Saw a few. Complete lack of charisma. Seemed like a nice bloke though.

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Well you do actually. It's not difficult to find some tall cunt to wrestle.

Take that South American thing Giant Gonzalez. Tall like a redwood tree but utter shit in the ring and a complete lack of presence.

Well, yes
That cunt was useless but look at someone like the Big Show
Fucking unit but not that much charisma
Same with The Great Khali

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

Undertaker was more “aura” than “charisma”
He has this unique aura about his character

[Jimmi]

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Every wrestler needs charisma. Charisma = appeal.

I also don't think that size automatically = appeal. It helps sure.

But if size on its own = appeal, then Heidenreich, Matt Morgan and indeed Giant Gonzalez would have become massive stars.

[Ross, Bob]

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

From what I've read Taker was mostly just a gimmick in the early to mid 1990s. He didn't work a crowd during his matches especially well.

However, based on his matches with Foley I've recently watched from 96-97, and his matches with Orton and Batista from the 2000s, he did develop into a performer who could work a very good match.

I'm no expert in Undertaker's career (I know it's fucking long though). From what I've seen I get the idea he perfected his gimmick through the years.

Like I wrote earlier though, when he starts talking I'm not particularly impressed. His (perfected) gimmick makes up for his lack of charisma imo.

[Jimmi]

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

From what I've read Taker was mostly just a gimmick in the early to mid 1990s. He didn't work a crowd during his matches especially well.

However, based on his matches with Foley I've recently watched from 96-97, and his matches with Orton and Batista from the 2000s, he did develop into a performer who could work a very good match.

I'm no expert in Undertaker's career (I know it's fucking long though). From what I've seen I get the idea he perfected his gimmick through the years.

Like I wrote earlier though, when he starts talking I'm not particularly impressed. His (perfected) gimmick makes up for his lack of charisma imo.

Yes, when he talks, he doesn’t ooze charisma (at least not in the original incarnation of The Undertaker Character) but he did have Paul Bearer for a long time to do the talking for him

[Ross, Bob]

When you’re a huge unit like he is, you don’t need much charisma

Well you do actually. It's not difficult to find some tall cunt to wrestle.

Take that South American thing Giant Gonzalez. Tall like a redwood tree but utter shit in the ring and a complete lack of presence.

Well, yes
That cunt was useless but look at someone like the Big Show
Fucking unit but not that much charisma
Same with The Great Khali

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

Undertaker was more “aura” than “charisma”
He has this unique aura about his character

What you call aura I call gimmick.

[Ross, Bob]

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

From what I've read Taker was mostly just a gimmick in the early to mid 1990s. He didn't work a crowd during his matches especially well.

However, based on his matches with Foley I've recently watched from 96-97, and his matches with Orton and Batista from the 2000s, he did develop into a performer who could work a very good match.

I'm no expert in Undertaker's career (I know it's fucking long though). From what I've seen I get the idea he perfected his gimmick through the years.

Like I wrote earlier though, when he starts talking I'm not particularly impressed. His (perfected) gimmick makes up for his lack of charisma imo.

Yes, when he talks, he doesn’t ooze charisma but he did have Paul Bearer for a long time to do the talking for him

Is that the cunt walking around with the urn?

[Jimmi]

Be careful not to confuse charisma with a gimmick.
In my opinion Undertaker for example doesn't ooze charisma, but he had a very good gimmick.

When a wrestler doesn't have either, it's shit.

From what I've read Taker was mostly just a gimmick in the early to mid 1990s. He didn't work a crowd during his matches especially well.

However, based on his matches with Foley I've recently watched from 96-97, and his matches with Orton and Batista from the 2000s, he did develop into a performer who could work a very good match.

I'm no expert in Undertaker's career (I know it's fucking long though). From what I've seen I get the idea he perfected his gimmick through the years.

Like I wrote earlier though, when he starts talking I'm not particularly impressed. His (perfected) gimmick makes up for his lack of charisma imo.

Yes, when he talks, he doesn’t ooze charisma but he did have Paul Bearer for a long time to do the talking for him

Is that the cunt walking around with the urn?

Yeah

[sennafan24]

I'm no expert in Undertaker's career (I know it's fucking long though). From what I've seen I get the idea he perfected his gimmick through the years.

Like I wrote earlier though, when he starts talking I'm not particularly impressed. His (perfected) gimmick makes up for his lack of charisma imo.

I'm not sure if it holds up, but I enjoyed his heel character in late 2001 and early 2002, even if his matches with Hogan, Flair and Austin during that period were tripe.

I agree that he wasn't much of a promo guy otherwise.

[Ross, Bob]

I'm no expert in Undertaker's career (I know it's fucking long though). From what I've seen I get the idea he perfected his gimmick through the years.

Like I wrote earlier though, when he starts talking I'm not particularly impressed. His (perfected) gimmick makes up for his lack of charisma imo.

I'm not sure if it holds up, but I enjoyed his heel character in late 2001 and early 2002, even if his matches with Hogan, Flair and Austin during that period were tripe.

I agree that he wasn't much of a promo guy otherwise.

I'm not knowledgeable enough when it comes to those details. Will be a matter of time though, once you start watching it, YouTube keeps feeding me the same shit.