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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by Safc » Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:02 pm

The Thorn wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:54 pm Grand Slam should be about people who won something. So I see an argument for including some regional tour winners. 2 female qualifiers is all right but more is pushing it too far.
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by Safc » Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:04 pm

SuperSwede wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:37 pm
Safc wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:19 pm
SuperSwede wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:49 pm
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Absolutely

The winner of the

Asia Tour
CDC
Aussie
NZ
Nordic and Baltic
Russia
Africa
1 spot a qualifier for all the non tour card holder muck including Women

And because Darts Weekly and Phil Barrs dont want to be controversial set of absolute Fanny's
Supposing that criteria was held and TC holders are banned as amateurs, we could see in 2021...

Lim, Asada, Ilagan or Malicdem
Matt Campbell
James Bailey
Harris or Puha
Marko Kantele
Kadochikinov or Gorbunov
Anyone really from Africa


Not a bad lot, some promise but also some cloggers.

Asia probably deserves another spot, as you have those 4 plus several other steady Japanese players, Royden Lam and Xiaochen Zong from China.

I'd give just the one spot to Oceania like the one for CDC.

The opportunities is the more important part though.
The World Series are opportunities for this lot really don't see what they add to the Slam as an event. I would cherry pick 4 International players and 4 women until a time where someone like the WDF have a World Champion, World Master to offer.
You would rather see

Hedman
Hammond

Instead of

Matt Campbell
Seigo Asada
No. Campbell and Asada would definitely be 2 of the 4 Internationals if I was picking.

Who wouldn't rather see say Suzuki and Sherrock than the likes of James Bailey and Marko Kantele?
Like Thorn says 2 is enough they havnt won a game in 12 games in the last 2 year.

Maybe they should only get 1
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by sennafan24 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:14 pm

Safc wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:04 pm Like Thorn says
Don't agree with Thorn please.

Even if he's right.
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by cannibal » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:58 am

The difference between WS and GSOD for PDC affiliate tours is consistency. The WS events move around to different countries. Only in Australia is it held annually. GSOD would create an incentive for participants in affiliate tours. Yes the GSOD should be for winners of something. So the affiliate tours could create a mid season event or series to qualify for GSOD. The important value of GSOD for the affiliate tours is the stage experience as you get the chance to play a few times in front of the crowds.

What is the difference between UK Dutch BDO amateurs and international amateurs? The BDO amateurs haven't added value in many years.

As for the women let them qualify the same way as the men. It is painful to watch 2 ladies play 6 matches and you know they are going to lose. PDC needs a lady that can compete with the men not just some one off win here and there. The only way they are going to find that woman is making them face the same criteria as the men.

Seems many people cry and moan about a woman or a minority getting a spot In the comms because of their sex or color yet the acceptance of women getting special treatment in the darts that is ok as that advances the womens game so it is ok.
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by Safc » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:01 am

cannibal wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:58 am The difference between WS and GSOD for PDC affiliate tours is consistency. The WS events move around to different countries. Only in Australia is it held annually. GSOD would create an incentive for participants in affiliate tours. Yes the GSOD should be for winners of something. So the affiliate tours could create a mid season event or series to qualify for GSOD. The important value of GSOD for the affiliate tours is the stage experience as you get the chance to play a few times in front of the crowds.

What is the difference between UK Dutch BDO amateurs and international amateurs? The BDO amateurs haven't added value in many years.

As for the women let them qualify the same way as the men. It is painful to watch 2 ladies play 6 matches and you know they are going to lose. PDC needs a lady that can compete with the men not just some one off win here and there. The only way they are going to find that woman is making them face the same criteria as the men.

Seems many people cry and moan about a woman or a minority getting a spot In the comms because of their sex or color yet the acceptance of women getting special treatment in the darts that is ok as that advances the womens game so it is ok.
Well said mate pretty much spot on.
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Post by SuperSwede » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:20 am

cannibal wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:58 am Seems many people cry and moan about a woman or a minority getting a spot In the comms because of their sex or color yet the acceptance of women getting special treatment in the darts that is ok as that advances the womens game so it is ok.
It's not a matter of whether it's okay or not, more so of what you want the GSOD to be. If it's desired to be the best of the best competing then simply have PDC title winners only and fill the rest by going down the OOM of the others. But that would be dull.

If the PDC were to incorporate regional tour winners they would not be doing so to reward winners but fore their own benefit to incentivise growth in those regions and adding another potential route in to the system to prospectively grow the game's reach. And when it comes to areas of potential growth in the game of darts there is no region that competes with women, something that other sports have recognised and are actively pursuing.

There is little to lose, you yourself even said the BDO players have added very little to the event for a few years now. There were 2 last year so that is likely to stay. Maybe it is best to leave it at 2 for another year or two but I would say it is only a matter of time before that increases though the women's game do need to help themselves too by turning out in better numbers at the next Women's Series whenever that may be.
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by oche balboa » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:37 am

cannibal wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:32 am Here is the perfect opportunity for the PDC to get the affliate tours into the GSOD. It just boggles my mind as to the reason PDC seems adverse to incorporating these players and advancing amateur darts in those locations by creating incentives for players to compete on these affliate tours. And why in the fuck arent these so called journalist asking the question.
Why? There is already the Worlds, World series (or should be) & World Cup
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by oche balboa » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:46 am

cannibal wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:58 am The difference between WS and GSOD for PDC affiliate tours is consistency. The WS events move around to different countries. Only in Australia is it held annually. GSOD would create an incentive for participants in affiliate tours. Yes the GSOD should be for winners of something. So the affiliate tours could create a mid season event or series to qualify for GSOD. The important value of GSOD for the affiliate tours is the stage experience as you get the chance to play a few times in front of the crowds.

What is the difference between UK Dutch BDO amateurs and international amateurs? The BDO amateurs haven't added value in many years.

As for the women let them qualify the same way as the men. It is painful to watch 2 ladies play 6 matches and you know they are going to lose. PDC needs a lady that can compete with the men not just some one off win here and there. The only way they are going to find that woman is making them face the same criteria as the men.

Seems many people cry and moan about a woman or a minority getting a spot In the comms because of their sex or color yet the acceptance of women getting special treatment in the darts that is ok as that advances the womens game so it is ok.
World Championship and World Cups should do this

GSOD was set up as a cross code competition & to entice the best BDO Players over to the PDC, This happened. So having a kinda Pro/AM to replace it is a better idea. Yes there is a UK Open tournament but Thats more british based

its likely (When Normality sets in) that the best WDF players outside of UK & Lowlands will be among the top of the PDC Satellite tours
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by sennafan24 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:50 pm

oche balboa wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:46 am its likely (When Normality sets in) that the best WDF players outside of UK & Lowlands will be among the top of the PDC Satellite tours
Oche waging war on the Challenge Tour there.
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by cannibal » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:07 pm

oche balboa wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:37 am
cannibal wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:32 am Here is the perfect opportunity for the PDC to get the affliate tours into the GSOD. It just boggles my mind as to the reason PDC seems adverse to incorporating these players and advancing amateur darts in those locations by creating incentives for players to compete on these affliate tours. And why in the fuck arent these so called journalist asking the question.
Why? There is already the Worlds, World series (or should be) & World Cup
Why? Already stated why to create better incentives and reward for for the affiliate tours. As well as international opportunities for those players that actually give a decent payout to cover the expenses for these amateurs. PDC needs to grow and desires to grow the game internationally. Two three chances a year is not alot adding another is a good idea.

And if the top players in affiliate tours will be WDF players then whats the problem?

The PDC imho should help the WDF with grassroots womens game. But that I dont think is going to create women who can compete with the men. That is likely to happen thru developnent challenge and q school. Their will only be 1 or 2 women that will be able to do that every several years
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by cannibal » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:25 pm

Is the wonens dart a fertile ground for growth relative to the regions. My understanding is at dart events men are about 70% of participants. International markets for TV and participation are fueled by international players who can compete ie have a real chance of winning a game or two or more. There is a larger pool of men than women so your more likely to find those players in the mens field. Of course a women who comes thru that larger talent pool is something.

Fallon at the WS events provides a novelty and a much easier opportunity for a local to get thru. How many locals have won the first match against the top players not many.
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by oche balboa » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:11 pm

cannibal wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:07 pm
oche balboa wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:37 am
cannibal wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:32 am Here is the perfect opportunity for the PDC to get the affliate tours into the GSOD. It just boggles my mind as to the reason PDC seems adverse to incorporating these players and advancing amateur darts in those locations by creating incentives for players to compete on these affliate tours. And why in the fuck arent these so called journalist asking the question.
Why? There is already the Worlds, World series (or should be) & World Cup
Why? Already stated why to create better incentives and reward for for the affiliate tours. As well as international opportunities for those players that actually give a decent payout to cover the expenses for these amateurs. PDC needs to grow and desires to grow the game internationally. Two three chances a year is not alot adding another is a good idea.

And if the top players in affiliate tours will be WDF players then whats the problem?

The PDC imho should help the WDF with grassroots womens game. But that I dont think is going to create women who can compete with the men. That is likely to happen thru developnent challenge and q school. Their will only be 1 or 2 women that will be able to do that every several years
GSOD wasnt really designed for that. Hearn wants the Amateur side of the game involved. I would like to see some Pro Tours in America to get US players a good feel of Pro Tours (160 players involved, 32 US players)

No problem really but its picking players from their tours and not the WDF, Hearn would have done this now, He realised that there are enough chances for them

Ladies Series should really occur 2 times a year (5 events each) (W-RUP in the 1st one into the GSOD) Winner and R-UP in the 2nd into the worlds.
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Post by cannibal » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:23 pm

They are not pros on the affliate tours
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by The Thorn » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:30 pm

The problem is, the amateur game is not relevant then it makes zero difference to pick a WDF player or a CT player, you get the same standard. Neither are pros as cannibal says. If no one knows or cares about the WDF why would the PDC reward them over their own system? It's down to the WDF to prove they deserve something. And they surely shouldn'tget a quarter of the places available. It just dilutes the event too much
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Post by cannibal » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:57 pm

Good point thorn. Otoh if the wdf is willing to work with the PDC on the PDC terms I'm ok with that to a degree. I think there is a great opportunity for the WDF and the PDC to cooperate using the affiliate tours for a starter as well as the womens side of things. WDF I think is kinda of starting on a clean slate. Yes they need to prove themselves but they need help. So if I was in charge of the PDC I would offer a 2 year deal doing it my way and see how it goes.
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by DeepFriedRat » Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:21 am

Regardless of the amateur side of things, the qualifiers for the Grand Slam this year so far are (early days)...

POT 1
Gerwyn Price- Q
Michael van Gerwen- Q
*Peter Wright* PC1
James Wade- Q
Gary Anderson- Q
Jose de Sousa- Q
*Joe Cullen* PC2
Jonny Clayton- Q

POT 2
Mervyn King- Q
*Brendan Dolan* PC3
Luke Humphries- Q
*Callan Rydz* PC4
Bradley Brooks- Q
*Raymond van Barneveld* PC5
Joe Davis- Q
16

POT 3
17
18
19
20
21
22
Q1
Q2

POT 4
Q3
Q4
Q5
Q6
Q7
Q8
Ladies Q1
Ladies Q2

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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by DeepFriedRat » Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:24 am

DeepFriedRat wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:21 am Regardless of the amateur side of things, the qualifiers for the Grand Slam this year so far are (early days)...

POT 1
Gerwyn Price- Q
Michael van Gerwen- Q
*Peter Wright* PC1
James Wade- Q
Gary Anderson- Q
Jose de Sousa- Q
*Joe Cullen* PC2
Jonny Clayton- Q

POT 2
Mervyn King- Q
*Brendan Dolan* PC3
Luke Humphries- Q
*Callan Rydz* PC4
Bradley Brooks- Q
*Raymond van Barneveld* PC5
Joe Davis- Q
16

POT 3
17
18
19
20
21
22
Q1
Q2

POT 4
Q3
Q4
Q5
Q6
Q7
Q8
Ladies Q1
Ladies Q2

*PCX ordered by ranking
By giving spots to amateurs, it's likely that Dolan, Rydz and RVB will miss out, unless they get in another way.
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Post by TheMalteseDart » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:19 pm

Joe Davis is hopelessly out of his depth in that field
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Post by The Thorn » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:54 pm

TheMalteseDart wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:19 pm Joe Davis is hopelessly out of his depth in that field
The floor jobbers would disagree
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Re: 2021 Grand Slam of Darts

Post by oche balboa » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:30 am

PDC should give places in the World Series Finals to everyone on the regional tours.

Ideal format criteria would be

Top 12 (PDC OOM)
2 best European qualifiers
2 Baltic, 2 Nordic, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & 2 Asian players to qualify &
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