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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Safc » Sun May 30, 2021 7:47 pm

Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
If people do they need a clip I would have

Worlds
Matchplay
Grand Prix
Slam
UK Open

All ahead of PL
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

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Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
A lot of casuals probably do.
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Randall » Sun May 30, 2021 7:50 pm

Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:47 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
If people do they need a clip I would have

Worlds
Matchplay
Grand Prix
Slam
UK Open

All ahead of PL
And you would be correct
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by HalloweenJack » Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm

Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Randall » Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by HalloweenJack » Sun May 30, 2021 8:07 pm

Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

Cunt
Why not? Think of the post count 😀

Surely the PDC and players views are more important than a handful of contrarians on a darts forum 😉

Didn’t Phil Taylor once state the PL was the biggest event after the worlds? ( Not my view )
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Randall » Sun May 30, 2021 8:09 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm

Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

Cunt
Why not? Think of the post count 😀

Surely the PDC and players views are more important than a handful of contrarians on a darts forum 😉

Didn’t Phil Taylor once state the PL was the biggest event after the worlds? ( Not my view )
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by HalloweenJack » Sun May 30, 2021 8:11 pm

Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:09 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm

Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

Cunt
Why not? Think of the post count 😀

Surely the PDC and players views are more important than a handful of contrarians on a darts forum 😉

Didn’t Phil Taylor once state the PL was the biggest event after the worlds? ( Not my view )
I like contrarians
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by DeepFriedRat » Sun May 30, 2021 8:41 pm

Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:47 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
If people do they need a clip I would have

Worlds
Matchplay
Grand Prix
Slam
UK Open

All ahead of PL
Bigger than the Slam and UK Open imo but definitely not the rest.

Slam only became ranked a few years back and has had shite BDO and Floor cloggers stinking up it's credibility for years.

UK Open got downgraded massively when it moved to Butlins. Week long majors just have more prestige, now it's more or less a big open draw Euro Tour.

For me it's a tier of...

Worlds

Matchplay and Grand Prix similar, Matchplay only just slightly bigger due to format, longevity and prize money.

PL

UK Open, Slam and PCFs (moved up a tier after it became 64 players) all level

Europeans

*Big gap*

Masters

*Bigger gap*

World Series Finals and World Cup. Tinpot tournaments.
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by DeepFriedRat » Sun May 30, 2021 9:10 pm

SuperSwede wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:58 pm
DeepFriedRat wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:34 am
Rogg wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 8:29 am July 10th cut-off.

8 Players Championships to come before that.

Clayton still not a seed, rofl. If he does crawl into them, he'll likely be #16...

https://www.dartsrankings.com/wmp
16 would be decent. Potential Price game in R2 won't scare him. He hasn't threw a dart in months and has an awful Matchplay record since he beat the Snackpot (Clayton does too tbf)
Clayton seems highly likely to have his belly tickled by Price and thank him for the pleasure. Love him to prove me wrong on that score.
Got a decent tv record vs Price. Beat him at the Worlds in 2017, enroute to the PCF final and in the Austrian Open final.

That said, all this was before they teamed up and I agree it could be a giggle fest. My logic though is that Price will come back pretty ropey and will be there for the taking for a while. Lost a stone, experimented with bomb darts in a PDC gimmick video and I feel he'll be a bit rusty.

I'd be shocked if Clayton didn't leapfrog Ian Shite in the last 8 PC events.
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by HalloweenJack » Sun May 30, 2021 9:20 pm

DeepFriedRat wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:47 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19 pm Matchplay is the 2nd biggest PDC event.
Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
If people do they need a clip I would have

Worlds
Matchplay
Grand Prix
Slam
UK Open

All ahead of PL
Bigger than the Slam and UK Open imo but definitely not the rest.

Slam only became ranked a few years back and has had shite BDO and Floor cloggers stinking up it's credibility for years.

UK Open got downgraded massively when it moved to Butlins. Week long majors just have more prestige, now it's more or less a big open draw Euro Tour.

For me it's a tier of...

Worlds

Matchplay and Grand Prix similar, Matchplay only just slightly bigger due to format, longevity and prize money.

PL

UK Open, Slam and PCFs (moved up a tier after it became 64 players) all level

Europeans

*Big gap*

Masters

*Bigger gap*

World Series Finals and World Cup. Tinpot tournaments.
My list is similar to yours. I would put PL at 3 and I’d have the Grand Prix just ahead of the slam then U.K. open then I agree with your list, although I’d put Masters on a par with World Series final.

I think the slam was actually better when the BDO players did well in it and when Ted was playing 😉
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Emulsfier » Sun May 30, 2021 9:29 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:20 pm
DeepFriedRat wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:47 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm

Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
If people do they need a clip I would have

Worlds
Matchplay
Grand Prix
Slam
UK Open

All ahead of PL
Bigger than the Slam and UK Open imo but definitely not the rest.

Slam only became ranked a few years back and has had shite BDO and Floor cloggers stinking up it's credibility for years.

UK Open got downgraded massively when it moved to Butlins. Week long majors just have more prestige, now it's more or less a big open draw Euro Tour.

For me it's a tier of...

Worlds

Matchplay and Grand Prix similar, Matchplay only just slightly bigger due to format, longevity and prize money.

PL

UK Open, Slam and PCFs (moved up a tier after it became 64 players) all level

Europeans

*Big gap*

Masters

*Bigger gap*

World Series Finals and World Cup. Tinpot tournaments.
My list is similar to yours. I would put PL at 3 and I’d have the Grand Prix just ahead of the slam then U.K. open then I agree with your list, although I’d put Masters on a par with World Series final.

I think the slam was actually better when the BDO players did well in it and when Ted was playing 😉
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by thegentle » Sun May 30, 2021 9:44 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm
Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm

Please don't tell me people think the PL is the 2nd biggest?
Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

Cunt
Why not? Think of the post count 😀

Surely the PDC and players views are more important than a handful of contrarians on a darts forum 😉

Didn’t Phil Taylor once state the PL was the biggest event after the worlds? ( Not my view )
I mean, the Matchplay is definitely bigger than the PL, but lol, the way some people on here talk about the PL makes me laugh. The Premier League has a huge prize fund, pits the best against the best week in week out, in front of huge crowds, but no, the Austrian Darts Open is bigger because it's ranked :lol:
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by HalloweenJack » Sun May 30, 2021 10:44 pm

thegentle wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:44 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm

Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

Cunt
Why not? Think of the post count 😀

Surely the PDC and players views are more important than a handful of contrarians on a darts forum 😉

Didn’t Phil Taylor once state the PL was the biggest event after the worlds? ( Not my view )
I mean, the Matchplay is definitely bigger than the PL, but lol, the way some people on here talk about the PL makes me laugh. The Premier League has a huge prize fund, pits the best against the best week in week out, in front of huge crowds, but no, the Austrian Darts Open is bigger because it's ranked :lol:
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Safc » Sun May 30, 2021 10:57 pm

thegentle wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:44 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:41 pm

Surely not
The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

Cunt
Why not? Think of the post count 😀

Surely the PDC and players views are more important than a handful of contrarians on a darts forum 😉

Didn’t Phil Taylor once state the PL was the biggest event after the worlds? ( Not my view )
I mean, the Matchplay is definitely bigger than the PL, but lol, the way some people on here talk about the PL makes me laugh. The Premier League has a huge prize fund, pits the best against the best week in week out, in front of huge crowds, but no, the Austrian Darts Open is bigger because it's ranked :lol:
Its probably because we are nerds in terms of following darts. The average Yaya singing Joe love the Worlds and PL and not much else. Dont think anyone can deny the money in the PL but personally I think Winning The Matchplay, Grand Prix, Slam and UK Open has more meaning but if you asked the players they would say PL as money talks.

I'd rather watch 17 Players Championships or Euro tours than the PL personally but that's me I prefer watching different players instead of the same 10/8 for 17 weeks. Plus the set format of the Worlds and GP and the extended format in the Matchplay and Slams unique format always appeals to me.
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Rogg » Mon May 31, 2021 8:41 am

We do have the PDC's Grand Slam criteria, where the 10 premier singles champions (no Champions League) are invited in a particular order.

The Grand Slam is elevated of course (it's for the Grand Slam), but this does demonstrate some official idea of something as it ain't random. You may detect the hand of Sky. The Masters is looking quite odd... what's it doing up there?


1. World Championship
2. Grand Slam
3. Premier League
4. World Matchplay
5. World Grand Prix
6. Masters
7. UK Open
8. European Championship
9. Players Championship Finals
10. World Series Finals
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Randall » Mon May 31, 2021 8:42 am

All kinds of wrong
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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by Dfc180 » Mon May 31, 2021 10:01 am

Yeah the masters should be down at 9 with the others moving up a slot

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Re: 2021 World Matchplay ~ 17-25 July

Post by DeepFriedRat » Mon May 31, 2021 11:16 am

Safc wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 10:57 pm
thegentle wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:44 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:51 pm

The PDC seem to deem it the third biggest event. The players probably do too. Look at the first prize.
Not going down this rabbit hole again :lol:

Cunt
Why not? Think of the post count 😀

Surely the PDC and players views are more important than a handful of contrarians on a darts forum 😉

Didn’t Phil Taylor once state the PL was the biggest event after the worlds? ( Not my view )
I mean, the Matchplay is definitely bigger than the PL, but lol, the way some people on here talk about the PL makes me laugh. The Premier League has a huge prize fund, pits the best against the best week in week out, in front of huge crowds, but no, the Austrian Darts Open is bigger because it's ranked :lol:
Its probably because we are nerds in terms of following darts. The average Yaya singing Joe love the Worlds and PL and not much else. Dont think anyone can deny the money in the PL but personally I think Winning The Matchplay, Grand Prix, Slam and UK Open has more meaning but if you asked the players they would say PL as money talks.

I'd rather watch 17 Players Championships or Euro tours than the PL personally but that's me I prefer watching different players instead of the same 10/8 for 17 weeks. Plus the set format of the Worlds and GP and the extended format in the Matchplay and Slams unique format always appeals to me.
For me anyway, this past PL was a breath of fresh air, with top quality debutants and the blocks to stop it dragging out.

That said, any other year I agree massively. The last "proper" year 2019, the one RVB got relegated had one of the worst lineups in living memory. Cross, Wade and Gurney all stinking up the top 4 with Suljovic lurking just below and Bellyboy and Wright clogging the bottom of the league. I gave up watching it halfway through it was that boring.

The introduction of Jose and Dimitri (whether you like him or not) have improved the PL's watchability to the neutral tenfold. I might be biased and others may disagree but even Clayton is way more interesting than Cross, Gurney etc. With him, one night you have the champion and the next the worst player in the league.

So usually yes, I like the 32 player ones. I'm not actually the biggest Matchplay fan, as the seedings and format usually lead to few upsets.

Worlds, WGP and Slam my 3 favourites, with UK Open 4th.
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