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Post by sennafan24 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:23 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:00 pm
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PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:16 pm And is it a coincidence that Adams starts winning BDO majors soon after Raymond van Barneveld has moved to the PDC?
He benefitted greatly from the defections of Thornton, Webster and Anderson too.

Out of his 6 BDO majors, only 2 were won before those three players left.
Adams has won 8 BDO majors, you forgot the classic Zuiderduin Masters. He won that twice prior to the players mentioned left. He won that event in 1996 and 2000
Depends on whether you classify that event as a BDO major.

I only classified the Worlds and the Masters as BDO majors. Possibly the World Trophy in later years.
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Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:39 pm You are both forgetting his biggest title
1999 Scania Open?
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sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:40 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:39 pm You are both forgetting his biggest title
1999 Scania Open?
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sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:23 pm
HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:00 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:16 pm And is it a coincidence that Adams starts winning BDO majors soon after Raymond van Barneveld has moved to the PDC?
He benefitted greatly from the defections of Thornton, Webster and Anderson too.

Out of his 6 BDO majors, only 2 were won before those three players left.
Adams has won 8 BDO majors, you forgot the classic Zuiderduin Masters. He won that twice prior to the players mentioned left. He won that event in 1996 and 2000
Depends on whether you classify that event as a BDO major.

I only classified the Worlds and the Masters as BDO majors. Possibly the World Trophy in later years.
The BDO classed it as a major. Ive never seen that event ever, but wasn’t the top prize something like €5000. ?Doesn’t seem a lot for a so called darting major.
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HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:40 pm The BDO classed it as a major. Ive never seen that event ever, but wasn’t the top prize something like €5000. ?Doesn’t seem a lot for a so called darting major.
It was also unranked when Adams won it.
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sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:16 pm And is it a coincidence that Adams starts winning BDO majors soon after Raymond van Barneveld has moved to the PDC?
He benefitted greatly from the defections of Thornton, Webster and Anderson too.

Out of his 6 BDO majors, only 2 were won before those three players left.
Aye. And before that, in early 2007, departures of King, van Gerwen, Klaasen and van der Voort.

Thornton left the BDO around May 2008, so even earlier than the other names you mention, along with Stompe going to the PDC a few weeks after Thornton. Thornton left after reaching the quarter finals of the 2008 Welsh Open, while watching PDC players getting more money for worse performances at the 2008 US Open. It was Whitlock who left around the same time as Webster and Anderson, in early 2009.

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Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:40 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:40 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:39 pm You are both forgetting his biggest title
1999 Scania Open?
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Adams beat Taylor somewhere else, too. During the 2001 World Matchplay, where Taylor and Adams met in the semi finals, they kept saying that Adams had won 2 of his 3 matches against Taylor. Taylor beat Adams 2-1 in legs at the 1997 News of the World, in the semis, which was their first meeting, and was televised. Their other TV meetings saw Taylor win 17-9 in legs in the 2001 World Matchplay semis, and 7-2 in sets in the 2006 World Darts Trophy final.

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PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:08 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:40 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:40 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:39 pm You are both forgetting his biggest title
1999 Scania Open?
Bingo
Adams beat Taylor somewhere else, too. During the 2001 World Matchplay, where Taylor and Adams met in the semi finals, they kept saying that Adams had won 2 of his 3 matches against Taylor. Taylor beat Adams 2-1 in legs at the 1997 News of the World, in the semis, which was their first meeting, and was televised. Their other TV meetings saw Taylor win 17-9 in legs in the 2001 World Matchplay semis, and 7-2 in sets in the 2006 World Darts Trophy final.
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HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:40 pm The BDO classed it as a major. Ive never seen that event ever, but wasn’t the top prize something like €5000. ?Doesn’t seem a lot for a so called darting major.
It was pretty big when it was the Doeland Grand Masters (2001-2004 time), but I don't remember it being big other than that while the International Darts League and World Darts Trophy were still running, certainly not in the 1990s.

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PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:03 pm Aye. And before that, in early 2007, departures of King, van Gerwen, Klaasen and van der Voort.

Thornton left the BDO around May 2008, so even earlier than the other names you mention, along with Stompe going to the PDC a few weeks after Thornton. Thornton left after reaching the quarter finals of the 2008 Welsh Open, while watching PDC players getting more money for worse performances at the 2008 US Open. It was Whitlock who left around the same time as Webster and Anderson, in early 2009.
I forgot about King.

And aye, Thornton switched in mid-2008. Whitlock in early 2009. My mistake.

It was really between RVB's switch in early 2006 and Webster/Anderson's defections in 09 that the BDO lost the war for the professional side of the game.
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Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:10 pm I suspect they were just wrong
Oche claims that Adams beat Taylor in the early 90s while both were still in the BDO.
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sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:53 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:10 pm I suspect they were just wrong
Oche claims that Adams beat Taylor in the early 90s while both were still in the BDO.
I don't rule it out. But beating cancer AND Taylor? Unlikely.
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sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:53 pm
Randall wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:10 pm I suspect they were just wrong
Oche claims that Adams beat Taylor in the early 90s while both were still in the BDO.
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Post by HalloweenJack » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:35 pm

PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:03 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:16 pm And is it a coincidence that Adams starts winning BDO majors soon after Raymond van Barneveld has moved to the PDC?
He benefitted greatly from the defections of Thornton, Webster and Anderson too.

Out of his 6 BDO majors, only 2 were won before those three players left.
Aye. And before that, in early 2007, departures of King, van Gerwen, Klaasen and van der Voort.

Thornton left the BDO around May 2008, so even earlier than the other names you mention, along with Stompe going to the PDC a few weeks after Thornton. Thornton left after reaching the quarter finals of the 2008 Welsh Open, while watching PDC players getting more money for worse performances at the 2008 US Open. It was Whitlock who left around the same time as Webster and Anderson, in early 2009.
From 2009/10 How many BDO players that came through after that would be classed as very good and could ( and have) cut it in the PDC?
Off the top of my head, I can think of
Waites
Bunting
Duzza
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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by Randall » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:42 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:35 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:03 pm
sennafan24 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:41 pm
PT13 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:16 pm And is it a coincidence that Adams starts winning BDO majors soon after Raymond van Barneveld has moved to the PDC?
He benefitted greatly from the defections of Thornton, Webster and Anderson too.

Out of his 6 BDO majors, only 2 were won before those three players left.
Aye. And before that, in early 2007, departures of King, van Gerwen, Klaasen and van der Voort.

Thornton left the BDO around May 2008, so even earlier than the other names you mention, along with Stompe going to the PDC a few weeks after Thornton. Thornton left after reaching the quarter finals of the 2008 Welsh Open, while watching PDC players getting more money for worse performances at the 2008 US Open. It was Whitlock who left around the same time as Webster and Anderson, in early 2009.
From 2009/10 How many BDO players that came through after that would be classed as very good and could ( and have) cut it in the PDC?
Off the top of my head, I can think of
Waites
Bunting
Duzza
Chuck
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Post by sennafan24 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:44 pm

HalloweenJack wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:35 pm From 2009/10 How many BDO players that came through after that would be classed as very good and could ( and have) cut it in the PDC?
Off the top of my head, I can think of
Waites
Bunting
Duzza
Noppert?

Btw, while all of those players certainly belong in the PDC's top 32, none of them were top 5 material.
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Post by PT13 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm

Hankey might have made a success of it had he switched in 2010, instead of leaving it another 2 years. The best time for him to have switched would have been earlier though, perhaps as far back as the Skol Six defections in late 2001, although no 2009 Lakeside had he done that. Switching earlier, when the schedule was less demanding, would have enabled him to slowly adapt, or fall by the wayside.

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