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Post by TheMalteseDart » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:11 pm



Prize money to skew the rankings even more in the future then
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Post by tungsten tossers » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:54 pm

Can't see that happening for a while though......

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Post by PT13 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:32 pm

That would fuck up the ranking system even more. They'd be better off raising prize money for other big majors.
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Post by The Thorn » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 pm

PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:32 pm That would fuck up the ranking system even more. And move it? To where? Not Saudi bloody Arabia, I hope.
It says "no plans to move Worlds"
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Post by PT13 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 pm

The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:32 pm That would fuck up the ranking system even more. And move it? To where? Not Saudi bloody Arabia, I hope.
It says "no plans to move Worlds"
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Post by The Thorn » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:37 pm

PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 pm
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:32 pm That would fuck up the ranking system even more. And move it? To where? Not Saudi bloody Arabia, I hope.
It says "no plans to move Worlds"
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Too late. My post will always remain here so people can witness this colossal fuck up.
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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by PT13 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:38 pm

The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:37 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 pm
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:32 pm That would fuck up the ranking system even more. And move it? To where? Not Saudi bloody Arabia, I hope.
It says "no plans to move Worlds"
Already edited.
Too late. My post will always remain here so people can witness this colossal fuck up.
Big deal.

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Post by The Thorn » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:40 pm

PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:38 pm
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:37 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 pm
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:34 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:32 pm That would fuck up the ranking system even more. And move it? To where? Not Saudi bloody Arabia, I hope.
It says "no plans to move Worlds"
Already edited.
Too late. My post will always remain here so people can witness this colossal fuck up.
Big deal.
It is. And you are digging the hole deeper by quoting my post.
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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by Dfc180 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm

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PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:32 pm That would fuck up the ranking system even more. They'd be better off raising prize money for other big majors.
It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings

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Dfc180 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.

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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by Safc » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:27 pm

PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
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Post by The Thorn » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:28 pm

PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
Spot on. And it's not just the winner's cheque, every cunt can qualify for Ally Pally now and stink up the rankings just by winning a few games.
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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by Safc » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:34 am

The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:28 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
Spot on. And it's not just the winner's cheque, every cunt can qualify for Ally Pally now and stink up the rankings just by winning a few games.
Jamie Lewis was the best example of this
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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by Dfc180 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:08 pm

Safc wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:34 am
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:28 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
Spot on. And it's not just the winner's cheque, every cunt can qualify for Ally Pally now and stink up the rankings just by winning a few games.
Jamie Lewis was the best example of this
Not too many more examples though that I can think of. The issue is it being a 2 year OOM

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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by Safc » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:23 pm

Dfc180 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:08 pm
Safc wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:34 am
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:28 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
Spot on. And it's not just the winner's cheque, every cunt can qualify for Ally Pally now and stink up the rankings just by winning a few games.
Jamie Lewis was the best example of this
Not too many more examples though that I can think of. The issue is it being a 2 year OOM
You're probably right tbf the 2 year OOM dosen't help I do think a 1 year system like what they use in Tennis would be a better system.
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Post by tungsten tossers » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:36 pm

Safc wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:23 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:08 pm
Safc wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:34 am
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:28 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
Spot on. And it's not just the winner's cheque, every cunt can qualify for Ally Pally now and stink up the rankings just by winning a few games.
Jamie Lewis was the best example of this
Not too many more examples though that I can think of. The issue is it being a 2 year OOM
You're probably right tbf the 2 year OOM dosen't help I do think a 1 year system like what they use in Tennis would be a better system.
An interview from Barry a year or so ago, he said that he had no intention of changing the ranking system as he believed that if a player did well at the worlds, then they deserved to be rewarded in the ranking system for more than a year... His goal was to get the 64th ranked player over 100k and at least 5 players over a million

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Post by The Thorn » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:03 pm

Dfc180 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:08 pm
Safc wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:34 am
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:28 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:44 pm It would mean the world champ is world number 1. Not sure how that fucks up the rankings. It's the biggest tournament of the year and should have more weight in the rankings
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
Spot on. And it's not just the winner's cheque, every cunt can qualify for Ally Pally now and stink up the rankings just by winning a few games.
Jamie Lewis was the best example of this
Not too many more examples though that I can think of. The issue is it being a 2 year OOM
There are a lot more examples, they are just less notable because not a lot of them get to the semis and not a lot of them collapse completely like Lewis did. People are clogging up the rankings all the time because they won 1 or 2 games at Ally Pally.

The 2 year OoM has something to do with it but it's not just that. If they simply switched to a 1 year ranking, the weight of the Worlds compared to the other events would stay the same.
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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by Dfc180 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:00 pm

The Thorn wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:03 pm
Dfc180 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:08 pm
Safc wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:34 am
The Thorn wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:28 pm
PT13 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:15 pm
Yes, but not to the extent it is now, or what it would be if the prize money for the World Championship was £1,000,000.

The World Championship prize money for the winner in 2013 was £200,000. Now it's £500,000. In the same period, the World Matchplay winner prize money in 2013 was £100,000 and is now £150,000. It distorts the ranking system.
Spot on. And it's not just the winner's cheque, every cunt can qualify for Ally Pally now and stink up the rankings just by winning a few games.
Jamie Lewis was the best example of this
Not too many more examples though that I can think of. The issue is it being a 2 year OOM
There are a lot more examples, they are just less notable because not a lot of them get to the semis and not a lot of them collapse completely like Lewis did. People are clogging up the rankings all the time because they won 1 or 2 games at Ally Pally.

The 2 year OoM has something to do with it but it's not just that. If they simply switched to a 1 year ranking, the weight of the Worlds compared to the other events would stay the same.
They only clog up rankings if they continue to win games though. If you look now since the euro tour isn't on a lot of the cloggers (white,Whitlock,Gurney,hopp,suljovic) are starting to drop down the rankings due to not automatically qualifying for events, thats where another problem lies because one good run at a Euro gets you into 2 majors

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Re: Darts articles in the Media thread

Post by PT13 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:25 pm

The Order of Merit worked well years ago. It gets less and less effective every year that World Championship prize money shoots up to a huge level while other big tournaments relatively don't. Either raise the money of other big tournaments more, or bring in a points system. The tennis system has a points system, like 2,000 points for winning one of the four majors, 1,000 points for winning Masters 1000, 500 points for winning ATP500 events, and 250 points for winning ATP250 events.

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