Randall and tossers all time test 11

[tungsten tossers]

The all-time England Test XI, based on the ICC rankings
1. Len Hutton
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Peter May
4. Denis Compton
5. Joe Root
6. Alec Stewart (wk)
7. Ian Botham
8. Tony Lock
9. Derek Underwood
10. Sydney Barnes
11. George Lohmann

Stewart well out of his depth
Nobody alive saw the last 2
I'm not actually familiar with lock?

I thought the same.. who is Lock?

Found this...

Tony Lock
Career best bowling ranking: No.1 | Career best bowling rating: 912

49 Tests, 174 wickets @ 25.58

A left-arm spinner who finished his career with 2,844 first-class wickets, Lock twirled in a prolific partnership with off-spinner Jim Laker for both Surrey and England. He famously hit more than 10,000 first-class runs without scoring a hundred.

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England's all time best xi (Since 1990)

1. Graham Gooch
2. Alastair Cook
3. Michael Vaughan
4. Kevin Pietersen
5. Joe Root
6. Andrew Flintoff
7. Alec Stewart
8. Graham Swann
9. Stuart Broad
10. Simon Jones
11. James Anderson


2nd Xi

1. Marcus Trescothick
2. Andrew Strauss
3. Ian Bell
4. Jonathan Trott
5. Graham Thorpe
6. Ben Stokes
7. Jack Russell
8. Darren Gough
9. Andy Caddick
10. Steve Harmison
11. Monty Panesar

[Cooking with Sanchez]

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Trolling laugh there

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[Randall]

The all-time England Test XI, based on the ICC rankings
1. Len Hutton
2. Jack Hobbs
3. Peter May
4. Denis Compton
5. Joe Root
6. Alec Stewart (wk)
7. Ian Botham
8. Tony Lock
9. Derek Underwood
10. Sydney Barnes
11. George Lohmann

Stewart well out of his depth
Nobody alive saw the last 2
I'm not actually familiar with lock?

I thought the same.. who is Lock?

Found this...

Tony Lock
Career best bowling ranking: No.1 | Career best bowling rating: 912

49 Tests, 174 wickets @ 25.58

A left-arm spinner who finished his career with 2,844 first-class wickets, Lock twirled in a prolific partnership with off-spinner Jim Laker for both Surrey and England. He famously hit more than 10,000 first-class runs without scoring a hundred.

Bizarrely he has escaped my notice

[Randall]

Obviously Bradman numbers are outrageous but.....
He played 37 of his 52 tests against England
He only ever played test in Australia and England
In the modern era, in different conditions its hard to credit he could do the same

[thegentle]

Obviously Bradman numbers are outrageous but.....
He played 37 of his 52 tests against England
He only ever played test in Australia and England
In the modern era, in different conditions its hard to credit he could do the same

Asia would have been a very different challenge, but on the flip side, he never played some of the weaker teams we have now at home

[thegentle]

England's all time best xi (Since 1990)

1. Graham Gooch
2. Alastair Cook
3. Michael Vaughan
4. Kevin Pietersen
5. Joe Root
6. Andrew Flintoff
7. Alec Stewart
8. Graham Swann
9. Stuart Broad
10. Simon Jones
11. James Anderson


2nd Xi

1. Marcus Trescothick
2. Andrew Strauss
3. Ian Bell
4. Jonathan Trott
5. Graham Thorpe
6. Ben Stokes
7. Jack Russell
8. Darren Gough
9. Andy Caddick
10. Steve Harmison
11. Monty Panesar

My instincts are to wonder why Panesar is so high when he was merely OK, although when you think hard about it, who is our next best spinner of the era after Swann? Tufnell? Giles? Leach? Joe Root?!

[Dfc180]

England's all time best xi (Since 1990)

1. Graham Gooch
2. Alastair Cook
3. Michael Vaughan
4. Kevin Pietersen
5. Joe Root
6. Andrew Flintoff
7. Alec Stewart
8. Graham Swann
9. Stuart Broad
10. Simon Jones
11. James Anderson


2nd Xi

1. Marcus Trescothick
2. Andrew Strauss
3. Ian Bell
4. Jonathan Trott
5. Graham Thorpe
6. Ben Stokes
7. Jack Russell
8. Darren Gough
9. Andy Caddick
10. Steve Harmison
11. Monty Panesar

This would make for a cracking game

[Randall]

Obviously Bradman numbers are outrageous but.....
He played 37 of his 52 tests against England
He only ever played test in Australia and England
In the modern era, in different conditions its hard to credit he could do the same

Asia would have been a very different challenge, but on the flip side, he never played some of the weaker teams we have now at home

True enough about weaker teams but I can't help but feel the numbers would be lower, significantly in all likelihood

[HalloweenJack]

Okay here goes. My all time top 11

Gavaskar
Hutton
Bradman
Sachin
Lara
Sobers (c)
Gilchrist
Warne
Marshall
McGrath
Trueman

Near misses for Viv, Clive Lloyd Kallis and Akram.

[Randall]

I'd have to include viv
If you play Warne you probably want Healey
The batting doesn't really need gilchrist
I'd want to include wasim for the variety

[HalloweenJack]

I'd have to include viv
If you play Warne you probably want Healey
The batting doesn't really need gilchrist
I'd want to include wasim for the variety

Gilchrist was better for me.
In the sub continent I would have to bring Muraly in.

[HalloweenJack]

You could even make a case for Murali over Warne. His strike rate and average per wicket is better.

[Randall]

I'd have to include viv
If you play Warne you probably want Healey
The batting doesn't really need gilchrist
I'd want to include wasim for the variety

Gilchrist was better for me.
In the sub continent I would have to bring Muraly in.

Healey and Warne just go together for me
With a strong enough all rounder you could play both

[KingBinglin]

When it comes to a keeper, I feel an argument can be made for Kumar Sangakarra. Kept to Muralitharan, so I feel he'd be able to keep to Warne as well. Average of 57 odd with the bat and capable of long innings.

A lot of players could be swapped in and out as there is competition for most positions. For an all-rounder, this is a bit about Imran Khan:

Between 1982 & 1990, IK played 49 tests & averaged 51.08 with the bat, in the same time period Viv Richards averaged 44.65. Between 1982 & 1990, IK averaged 19.08 with the ball; in the same time period Malcom Marshal averaged 19.66. So basically, IK's batting average was better than the best test batsman at the time & his bowling average was better than the best bowler. There is talk about him as an all-rounder, he would have walked into any team on the planet as a specialist batsman or a specialist bowler

My controversial opinion is not to include Tendulkar - he just never did it for me. A must pick is Malcolm Marshall as he's my all time cricket hero (tied with Ambrose).

[HalloweenJack]

When it comes to a keeper, I feel an argument can be made for Kumar Sangakarra. Kept to Muralitharan, so I feel he'd be able to keep to Warne as well. Average of 57 odd with the bat and capable of long innings.

A lot of players could be swapped in and out as there is competition for most positions. For an all-rounder, this is a bit about Imran Khan:

Between 1982 & 1990, IK played 49 tests & averaged 51.08 with the bat, in the same time period Viv Richards averaged 44.65. Between 1982 & 1990, IK averaged 19.08 with the ball; in the same time period Malcom Marshal averaged 19.66. So basically, IK's batting average was better than the best test batsman at the time & his bowling average was better than the best bowler. There is talk about him as an all-rounder, he would have walked into any team on the planet as a specialist batsman or a specialist bowler

My controversial opinion is not to include Tendulkar - he just never did it for me. A must pick is Malcolm Marshall as he's my all time cricket hero (tied with Ambrose).

Very good case for Imran Khan. I cannot agree on Sachin. Probably the most naturally talented cricketer to play the game.

[KingBinglin]

Very good case for Imran Khan. I cannot agree on Sachin. Probably the most naturally talented cricketer to play the game.

Sachin, as I said, just never did it for me - I know it's against the grain of the majority. I'm a bowler so that's where my heart lies, sod batsmen! Give me Ambrose, Marshall, Steyn, Akram, Holding, McGrath, Dev, Khan, Lillee, Thompson, Bumrah, Cummings, Bond, Afridi and so on. We overlook Rabada who has almost 300 wickets at just over 22.

[Randall]

His overall average was around 38 with the bat
Fully 20 less than sobers
a better bowler
The balance of the team dictates who you pick