David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Randall » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:37 am

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Oche Balboa wrote:Haye was never a world class fighter, he got a bit lucky he was in a division which is the poorest its been for 30-40 years, The Klitschko brothers would not be in the greatest 25 heavyweights for me

At Cruiser of course he was....comfortably the best in the division...

As randalls already pointed out he's a tad small at heavy.....then again, it diddnt stop Tyson and Holyfield.
tyson and holyfield had the warrior instinct, never seen that in haye to be honest.

oche raises an interesting point re the russians though, would vitali not make the top 25 of all time?
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Furious Wolfie 180 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:43 am

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Furious Wolfie 180 wrote:
Oche Balboa wrote:Haye was never a world class fighter, he got a bit lucky he was in a division which is the poorest its been for 30-40 years, The Klitschko brothers would not be in the greatest 25 heavyweights for me

At Cruiser of course he was....comfortably the best in the division...

As randalls already pointed out he's a tad small at heavy.....then again, it diddnt stop Tyson and Holyfield.
tyson and holyfield had the warrior instinct, never seen that in haye to be honest.

oche raises an interesting point re the russians though, would vitali not make the top 25 of all time?
He deff make my top 20 list....he's a great fighter regardless of the current poor era of heavies...
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Randall » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:45 am

if lewis is in the top 25 vitali must be, he fought lewis to a stand still.

somewhere around the 20 mark seems reasonable.
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Post by Oche Balboa » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:46 am

Erm i disagree Randall, Lewis was superb but did have the tendency to have a really bad fight

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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Furious Wolfie 180 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:47 am

randall wrote:if lewis is in the top 25 vitali must be, he fought lewis to a stand still.

somewhere around the 20 mark seems reasonable.
Lewis makes my top 10 tbf, Vitali gave him a hell of a fight. I'd place him 12th - 15th.
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Randall » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:54 am

Oche Balboa wrote:Erm i disagree Randall, Lewis was superb but did have the tendency to have a really bad fight
lewis had lots of bad nights, i wouldnt say vitali was one of them though.

the crying man was though :lol:
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Furious Wolfie 180 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:03 pm

Oche Balboa wrote:Erm i disagree Randall, Lewis was superb but did have the tendency to have a really bad fight
The two defeats were pretty much his own doing.

Hardly trained for both, took both opponents lightly. Same can be said for the Vitali fight tbf, he was a late replacement for what Lewis considered a far easier fight.
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by hang the dj » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:24 pm

The Klitschko's are the best around just now but neither will be remembered as one of the "greats", they would maybe scrape into a top 25 of all time

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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Randall » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:04 pm

im struggling for 25 names to put before vitali at least.

theres 15 or so obvious ones then it gets debateable.
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by M H » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:08 pm

Interesting subject top 25 heavies.

Kicking off with the obvious in Ali, Fraxior, Foreman, Marciano and Tyson it could be a very contentious topic
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Post by Oche Balboa » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:09 pm

Sonny Liston will be up there, as too Lewis

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Post by M H » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:11 pm

Could make a case for Larry Holmes as well
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Randall » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:14 pm

marciano is contentious straight away, little more than a light heavy by todays standard?

holmes would be in the top ten all day long, as would jack johnson.
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Post by Oche Balboa » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:14 pm

There were better fighters in the 60s and 70s IMO, as they only had one belt now there are 5 which you could argue devalues it somewhat.

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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Furious Wolfie 180 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:14 pm

In no order......jeez i'm ment to be fucking working!

This list is post 1945 anarl...

Ali
Frazier
Forman
Louis
Marciano
Liston
Patterson
Holmes
Norton
Tyson
Bowe
Lewis
Holyfield
Vitali

Feel free to add...
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Oche Balboa » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:15 pm

Anyone seen that Simulation between Ali and Marciano?

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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Oche Balboa » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:15 pm

People mention Riddick Bowe was he that good?

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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by Randall » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:16 pm

Oche Balboa wrote:There were better fighters in the 60s and 70s IMO, as they only had one belt now there are 5 which you could argue devalues it somewhat.
who do you have in mind?

norton? patterson?
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Re: David Haye - Vitali Klitschko

Post by M H » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:17 pm

Oche Balboa wrote:People mention Riddick Bowe was he that good?
Good at ducking Lewis
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