De Graaf and Zijlstra quit Dutch national team.

[shenmue]

Daft Dutch cunts

[ChrisW]

Quick summary of the 10 minute conversation.

Jacques was explaining why the decision of allowing transgenders to play with the Women's darts came about.
He had multiple papers from the relevant international orgs with him.
Firstly the IOC decision , then the European Sports Federation, the WDF decision, the DRA decision.
They talked in length about the hateful social media comments and how bad that is for the sport and for van Leuven.
Also mentioned that it is a very divided opinion from the people who comment.

The IOC directives listed about passport stating female/12 months before competing/the hormone levels 12 months before competing and regular tests.
Jaqcues also said to change such a rule you need to got to the NDF which they had done without success.
Then next step to the sports committee in the Netherlands. And then perhaps to courts. A long road he said.

The discussion finished with the presenter on behalf of the whole Viaplay team wishing Noa-Lynn all the best and congratulating on the great performances and to keep it up.

[Malanax]

really fucking weird the hatred people can summon for it when it doesnt actually affect their day to day lives at all.

every facebook post full of bald 40 odd year old men with a car or motorbike as their cover photo absolutely seething at any mention of noa.

[Captain Hobo]

really fucking weird the hatred people can summon for it when it doesnt actually affect their day to day lives at all.

every facebook post full of bald 40 odd year old men with a car or motorbike as their cover photo absolutely seething at any mention of noa.

It's just the latest fad of the outrage mob.

Check out the 2 articles below. It's the same woman who has gone from anti-Islam in 2017 to anti-trans now. I assume she'll move on to the next outrage eventually.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... t-of-court

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.co ... 5d56y.html

[Randall]

There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.

[Captain Hobo]

There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.

Where does that start with people who say there are only 2 genders and refer to trans women as men?

That would be a very short debate.

[Greipel]

[Randall]

There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.

Where does that start with people who say there are only 2 genders and refer to trans women as men?

That would be a very short debate.

There are 2 sexes, that's unarguable
Gender identity you can believe you are male or female, even though personally it seems more like a mental illness to me.I don't entertain people who think they are horses etc
How you define trans people is relevant to the discussion at hand for me. I work with a man who chooses to identity as a women. They are living their own life and affecting nobody. I'm quite happy to use their preferred pronoun and their chosen female name.
In the case of biological males that are choosing to take women's places in society, unfairly in my opinion, in that context I will say he is competing against she etc as its the defining point in the discussion.

[Ross, Bob]

Is that an actual book or a photoshop?

[Ross, Bob]

There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.

Where does that start with people who say there are only 2 genders and refer to trans women as men?

That would be a very short debate.

There are 2 sexes, that's unarguable
Gender identity you can believe you are male or female, even though personally it seems more like a mental illness to me.I don't entertain people who think they are horses etc
How you define trans people is relevant to the discussion at hand for me. I work with a man who chooses to identity as a women. They are living their own life and affecting nobody. I'm quite happy to use their preferred pronoun and their chosen female name.
In the case of biological males that are choosing to take women's places in society, unfairly in my opinion, in that context I will say he is competing against she etc as its the defining point in the discussion.

You should be more active on Twitter.

[Greipel]

Is that an actual book or a photoshop?

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978191697500 ... 975003/plp

[Ross, Bob]

Is that an actual book or a photoshop?

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978191697500 ... 975003/plp

[Captain Hobo]

Is that an actual book or a photoshop?

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/978191697500 ... 975003/plp

It's important for children whose birth-giving parent is male to be included.

[Randall]

Nobody alive has a male birthing parent

[Randall]

There are extremists at either end of the argument but should still be room for sensible debate.
It's not going to be had in one sentence posts on twitter and Facebook mind.

Where does that start with people who say there are only 2 genders and refer to trans women as men?

That would be a very short debate.

There are 2 sexes, that's unarguable
Gender identity you can believe you are male or female, even though personally it seems more like a mental illness to me.I don't entertain people who think they are horses etc
How you define trans people is relevant to the discussion at hand for me. I work with a man who chooses to identity as a women. They are living their own life and affecting nobody. I'm quite happy to use their preferred pronoun and their chosen female name.
In the case of biological males that are choosing to take women's places in society, unfairly in my opinion, in that context I will say he is competing against she etc as its the defining point in the discussion.

You should be more active on Twitter.

It's not for me

[ChrisW]

Have you ever had a colleague who identified as a sea horse?

[Randall]

It's little wonder kids today are so fucked up being exposed to this bollocks

[Randall]

Have you ever had a colleague who identified a a sea horse?

Not yet but its liable to happen as the mental illness epidemic gathers pace

[ChrisW]

Electric shock therapy would sort it.

[Randall]

Electric shock therapy would sort it.

Banning tiktok would be a start