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Embarrassing scenes

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:21 pm From what I can gather, Jason Francis (Modus promoter) wanted to put a senior snooker event on Channel 5 that invited tour card holders (or at least only O'Sullivan, I don't know). He had spoken to Channel 5 about it.

As per darts, tour card holders are under contract elsewhere so he had to apply for special permission or something.

Now it gets muddy. Barry Hearn was not impressed and phoned up Channel 5 who then dropped the whole idea? Then Jason Francis (says oche) posted (why?) the private phone call he'd with Hearn afterwards. In summary, it seems Channel 5 are a bit pissed off.

Thanks for the info.

sennafan24 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:01 pm

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:21 pm From what I can gather, Jason Francis (Modus promoter) wanted to put a senior snooker event on Channel 5 that invited tour card holders (or at least only O'Sullivan, I don't know). He had spoken to Channel 5 about it.

As per darts, tour card holders are under contract elsewhere so he had to apply for special permission or something.

Now it gets muddy. Barry Hearn was not impressed and phoned up Channel 5 who then dropped the whole idea? Then Jason Francis (says oche) posted (why?) the private phone call he'd with Hearn afterwards. In summary, it seems Channel 5 are a bit pissed off.

Thanks for the info.

The guy tried to take a bite out of Hearn by the sound of it, or at least that's how Hearn seemed to interpret it.

If you scroll about 10 tweets down the page you can hear the phone call. It's in a few parts.

https://twitter.com/ronnieo1954

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:14 pm

sennafan24 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:01 pm

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:21 pm From what I can gather, Jason Francis (Modus promoter) wanted to put a senior snooker event on Channel 5 that invited tour card holders (or at least only O'Sullivan, I don't know). He had spoken to Channel 5 about it.

As per darts, tour card holders are under contract elsewhere so he had to apply for special permission or something.

Now it gets muddy. Barry Hearn was not impressed and phoned up Channel 5 who then dropped the whole idea? Then Jason Francis (says oche) posted (why?) the private phone call he'd with Hearn afterwards. In summary, it seems Channel 5 are a bit pissed off.

Thanks for the info.

The guy tried to take a bite out of Hearn by the sound of it, or at least that's how Hearn seemed to interpret it.

If you scroll about 10 tweets down the page you can hear the phone call. It's in a few parts.

https://twitter.com/ronnieo1954

Indeed, very interesting.

I assume Francis leaked the recording of the call to O'Sullivan's Dad or posted it elsewhere and O'Sullivan's Dad re-posted it?

sennafan24 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:33 pm

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:14 pm

sennafan24 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:01 pm

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:21 pm From what I can gather, Jason Francis (Modus promoter) wanted to put a senior snooker event on Channel 5 that invited tour card holders (or at least only O'Sullivan, I don't know). He had spoken to Channel 5 about it.

As per darts, tour card holders are under contract elsewhere so he had to apply for special permission or something.

Now it gets muddy. Barry Hearn was not impressed and phoned up Channel 5 who then dropped the whole idea? Then Jason Francis (says oche) posted (why?) the private phone call he'd with Hearn afterwards. In summary, it seems Channel 5 are a bit pissed off.

Thanks for the info.

The guy tried to take a bite out of Hearn by the sound of it, or at least that's how Hearn seemed to interpret it.

If you scroll about 10 tweets down the page you can hear the phone call. It's in a few parts.

https://twitter.com/ronnieo1954

Indeed, very interesting.

I assume Francis leaked the recording of the call to O'Sullivan's Dad or posted it elsewhere and O'Sullivan's Dad re-posted it?

I don't know but that could be it. Oche said that Francis leaked it. I wondered if initially he sent it to Ronnie himself to show him how the idea for this tournament had fallen apart, and then from there it made the small leap to Ronnie's dad. The guy, imo, sounds wildly out of his depth.

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:42 pm I don't know but that could be it. Oche said that Francis leaked it. I wondered if initially he sent it to Ronnie himself to show him how the idea for this tournament had fallen apart, and then from there it made the small leap to Ronnie's dad. The guy, imo, sounds wildly out of his depth.

They make the same argument against one another for 9 minutes

Hopefully a documentary about it comes out, netflix or amazon.

sennafan24 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:48 pm

Rogg wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:42 pm I don't know but that could be it. Oche said that Francis leaked it. I wondered if initially he sent it to Ronnie himself to show him how the idea for this tournament had fallen apart, and then from there it made the small leap to Ronnie's dad. The guy, imo, sounds wildly out of his depth.

They make the same argument against one another for 9 minutes

It felt like longer.

Hearn has the perfect voice for organising a diamond heist. That's not really relevant but I thought I'd say it anyway.

Now I'd like to know what Bobby George said that has created this 'racism' controversy...

Feel sorry for Jack Gobby Garwood from online darts who has put a lot of effort into the seniors from the floor events to the big ones. Mars Barrs threw the poor fella to doing interviews with Elrig Rowlands whilst he got the juicy interviews with Mason and MVG, the bastard

TheMalteseDart wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:33 am Feel sorry for Jack Gobby Garwood from online darts who has put a lot of effort into the seniors from the floor events to the big ones. Mars Barrs threw the poor fella to doing interviews with Elrig Rowlands whilst he got the juicy interviews with Mason and MVG, the bastard

Garwood is the best one of those guys IMO. He has his head skewed on and seems more knowledgeable

oche balboa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:51 pm

TheMalteseDart wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:33 am Feel sorry for Jack Gobby Garwood from online darts who has put a lot of effort into the seniors from the floor events to the big ones. Mars Barrs threw the poor fella to doing interviews with Elrig Rowlands whilst he got the juicy interviews with Mason and MVG, the bastard

Garwood is the best one of those guys IMO. He has his head skewed on and seems more knowledgeable

+1

LP Metal Series 1: Paul Hogan 4-3 Kevin Edwards
Target Open Series 1: Derek Coulson 4-1 Andrew Houghton
Target Open Series 2: Wayne Jones 4-2 Paul Hogan
Worlds Qualifier 1: Martyn Turner 6-3 Matt Clark
World Qualifier 2: Jim Long 6-0 Mark McGeeney
LP Metal Series 2: Richie Howson 4-3 John Henderson
Target Open Series 3: Nick Fullwell 4-3 Darren Johnson
Target Open Series 4: John Henderson 4-2 Paul Hogan
Worlds Qualifier 3: Paul Hogan 6-3 Matt Clark
Worlds Qualifier 4: Jim McEwan 6-5 Richard Rowlands
LP Metal Series 3: Mark Dudbridge 4-1 Ian Jopling
Target Open Series 5: Ross Montgomery 4-1 Martin Thomas
Target Open Series 6: Jim Long 4-3 Paul Hogan
Worlds Qualifier 5: Richard Rowlands 6-3 Kevin Burness
Worlds Qualifier 6: Matt Clark 6-3 Kevin Edwards
World Championship 2024 John Henderson 5-0 Colin McGarry
Target Open Series 7: Ross Montgomery 4-0 David Cameron
Target Open Series 8: Richie Howson 4-2 Scott Mitchell
Golden Ticket 1: Richard Rowlands 6-4 Stephan Wood
Golden Ticket 2: Andy Hamilton 6-3 Darren Johnson
LP Metal Series 4: Andy Boulton 4-3 Scott Mitchell
Champion of Champions: Richie Howson 13-10 Andy Hamilton
Target Open Series 9: Ross Montgomery 4-3 Kevin Painter
Target Open Series 10: Derek Coulson 4-0 Ross Montgomery

oche balboa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:51 pm

TheMalteseDart wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:33 am Feel sorry for Jack Gobby Garwood from online darts who has put a lot of effort into the seniors from the floor events to the big ones. Mars Barrs threw the poor fella to doing interviews with Elrig Rowlands whilst he got the juicy interviews with Mason and MVG, the bastard

Garwood is the best one of those guys IMO. He has his head skewed on and seems more knowledgeable

I do like Garwood the best of them. He plays and referees darts and is level-headed about everything.

Barrs _is_ very knowledgeable about darts, has a lot of energy, but with him everything is an angle, he's a self-admitted sell-out and he has some really unrealistic ideas he just won't let go of. (Also, he likes wrestling and talks about it, which I think is a huge character flaw in a grown-up.)

Back on the topic of seniors, I hope this mess is just a temporary set-back. The seniors tour seems to have developed its own players and stories separate from the original big names. Howson and Gates are the two obvious ones.

Race to 2025 Worlds (Excluding Phil Taylor)


1. Robert Thornton £47,340
2. Richie Howson £41,830
3. Leonard Gates £36,400
4. John Henderson £32,850
5. Colin McGarry £18,250
6. David Cameron £16,485
7. Kevin Painter £11,665
8. Martin Adams £11,465
9. Paul Hogan £9,000
10. Jim McEwan £7,950
11. Jim Long £7,425
12. Lisa Ashton £7,250
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13. Andy Hamilton £7,190
14. Neil Duff £7,000
15. Mark Dudbridge £6,160
16. Mike Huntley £5,465
17. Richard-Eirig Rowlands £5,250
18. Trina Gulliver £5,000
19. John Part £4,750
20. Dennis Harbour £4,500

Is Taylor still pretending to be quitting this?

Hmm. Martin Adams is listed twice mate. I've never trusted him.

Top 4 from this list will qualify for the 2025 World Seniors

1 Ross Montgomery £2,200.00
2 Paul Hogan £1,850.00
3 Richie Howson £1,705.00 - Qualified via OOM
4 Nick Fullwell £1,215.00
5 Wayne Davies £1,205.00
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6 John Henderson £1,200.00
7 Jim Long £1,075.00
8 Derek Coulson £1,050.00
9 Scott Mitchell £865.00
10 Mark Dudbridge £835.00
11 Andrew Houghton £580.00
12 Darren Johnson £565.00
13 Andy Boulton £500.00
14 David Cameron £485.00
15 Martin Thomas £475.00
16 Kevin Edwards £460.00
17 Ian Jopling £400.00
18 Richard Eirig Rowlands £375.00
19 Stephan Wood £305.00
20 Mike Norton £275.00
21 Mark Pooke £255.00
22 Jim Long £250.00
23 John Nelson £250.00
24 Mike Huntley £240.00
25 Colin McGarry £225.00
26 Mark Lawrence £215.00
27 Martin Adams £215.00
28 Steve Gow £200.00
29 Kevin Burness £165.00
30 Robert Thornton £165.00
31 Eddie Lovley £160.00
32 Kevin Dowling £160.00
33 Paul Ablett £150.00
34 Wayne Jones £150.00
35 Jim McEwan £125.00
36 John Brammeld £125.00
37 James Richardson £115.00
38 Martyn Turner £95.00
39 Paul Dawkins £90.00
40 Andy Hamilton £90.00
41 Ian Moss £85.00
42 Alan Norris £75.00
43 Robert Rickwood £75.00
44 Mark McGeeney £65.00
45 Noel Grant £65.00
46 Archie Goodier £50.00
47 Colin Nicoll £50.00
48 Tom Gregory £50.00
49 Duane Nessling £50.00
50 Mark Walsh £50.00
51 Shane Passey £35.00
52 Nigel Fisher £30.00
53 Paul Croucher £30.00
54 Richard Boucher £30.00
55 Trevor Ellacott £30.00
56 Alex Chubb £15.00
57 Andrew Denning £15.00
58 Carl Webb £15.00
59 Darren Webster £15.00
60 Gary Stafford £15.00
61 Kevin Painter £15.00
62 Matt Clark £15.00
63 Nathan Money £15.00
64 Nick Holman £15.00
65 Nigel Payne £15.00
66 Nigel Prior £15.00
67 Roy Clarke £15.00
68 Russ Brightman £15.00
69 Simon Monk £15.00
70 Tony Hill £15.00
71 Vince Tipple £15.00

Rogg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:42 pm Is Taylor still pretending to be quitting this?

Hmm. Martin Adams is listed twice mate. I've never trusted him.

That's my fault

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