The Greatest Show on Earth - 2024 PDC World Championship

[DeepFriedRat]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

Possibly the Ukrainian place might go and they allow Ukrainian players to play in the East Europe Qualifier

Possibly

Take away the Ukranian spot for the Worlds and in return have a place in the World Cup

[TheMalteseDart]

Should make it EADC again. Boris Koltsov in the Worlds is needed

[thegentle]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

As much as the European qualifiers are always the more likely to be the better ones, do we still need them? While the top 64 players can no longer enter them, anyone in Europe, especially Western Europe has ample opportunity throughout the year to qualify for various events, do they need the additional carrot of a Worlds spot?

[thegentle]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

Possibly the Ukrainian place might go and they allow Ukrainian players to play in the East Europe Qualifier

Possibly

Take away the Ukranian spot for the Worlds and in return have a place in the World Cup

Would be harsh on the Ukrainian lads who basically can't leave the country at the moment (fuck knows if the situation will change by the autumn), but I can see this happening, was a nice little PR stunt for the PDC but I can see them discarding Ukraine for other shiny toys and just combining the entirety of 'Eastern Europe' (including Austria and Switzerland) into one giant qualifier

[thegentle]

9 feels a lot for a region that hasn't really been winning many games at the Worlds. What qualifiers are missing on DFR's list compared to last year?

8 in 2022 is the previous most.

There was 7 in this years

There have been 7 qualifiers from the various Asian qualification systems at each Worlds since the expansion in 2018/19 (obvs not all of them have been able to take part), there were 8 Asians at the 2020 Worlds, but that was including Suzuki who qualified through the RotW Women's qualifier

[DeepFriedRat]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

As much as the European qualifiers are always the more likely to be the better ones, do we still need them? While the top 64 players can no longer enter them, anyone in Europe, especially Western Europe has ample opportunity throughout the year to qualify for various events, do they need the additional carrot of a Worlds spot?

Imo, yes.

With the growth of darts in Belgium and Germany, it would be farcical if they had no opportunities whilst Asians get nine spots with a fraction of the commitment. Belgium have 7 tour card holders now (and they never drop out) and Asia has one who can't be arsed.

In fact the only Asian player to have ever committed is Kai Fan Leung. So until they go to Q-School and commit, keep their spots at the same level.

The Indian Qualifiers are also historically garbage. Yes they'll never get any better unless you give them chances but it would be silly for a Nitin Kumar to take the place of a Niko Springer.

[TheMalteseDart]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

As much as the European qualifiers are always the more likely to be the better ones, do we still need them? While the top 64 players can no longer enter them, anyone in Europe, especially Western Europe has ample opportunity throughout the year to qualify for various events, do they need the additional carrot of a Worlds spot?

The Indian Qualifiers are also historically garbage. Yes they'll never get any better unless you give them chances but it would be silly for a Nitin Kumar to take the place of a Niko Springer.

A similar argument comes up in football for the World Cup and I disagree. It's a 'World Championship'. Like in Football, sure Europe is better than Asia, and we could take away a spot for Asia and give it to Europe. But is it worth having a country like Slovakia at the World Cup instead of an Iran? Better representation is better for qualification spots

[DeepFriedRat]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

As much as the European qualifiers are always the more likely to be the better ones, do we still need them? While the top 64 players can no longer enter them, anyone in Europe, especially Western Europe has ample opportunity throughout the year to qualify for various events, do they need the additional carrot of a Worlds spot?

The Indian Qualifiers are also historically garbage. Yes they'll never get any better unless you give them chances but it would be silly for a Nitin Kumar to take the place of a Niko Springer.

A similar argument comes up in football for the World Cup and I disagree. It's a 'World Championship'. Like in Football, sure Europe is better than Asia, and we could take away a spot for Asia and give it to Europe. But is it worth having a country like Slovakia at the World Cup instead of an Iran? Better representation is better for qualification spots

A happy medium is good too

Like you don't want the Worlds flooded with Jimmy Hendriks, Zoran Lerchbacher, Hempel, Jose Justicia, John MIchael and Omelchenko at the expense of Asada or Malicdem.

Likewise overdosing with Perez, Ilagan, Muramatsu, Lim, Nebrida, Toru Suzuki and Matsuda depriving a Pietreczko, Landman or Sedlacek would be ludicrous.

Keep Europe at 4 and Asia at 7 imo

[thegentle]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

As much as the European qualifiers are always the more likely to be the better ones, do we still need them? While the top 64 players can no longer enter them, anyone in Europe, especially Western Europe has ample opportunity throughout the year to qualify for various events, do they need the additional carrot of a Worlds spot?

The Indian Qualifiers are also historically garbage. Yes they'll never get any better unless you give them chances but it would be silly for a Nitin Kumar to take the place of a Niko Springer.

A similar argument comes up in football for the World Cup and I disagree. It's a 'World Championship'. Like in Football, sure Europe is better than Asia, and we could take away a spot for Asia and give it to Europe. But is it worth having a country like Slovakia at the World Cup instead of an Iran? Better representation is better for qualification spots

A happy medium is good too

Like you don't want the Worlds flooded with Jimmy Hendriks, Zoran Lerchbacher, Hempel, Jose Justicia, John MIchael and Omelchenko at the expense of Asada or Malicdem.

Likewise overdosing with Perez, Ilagan, Muramatsu, Lim, Nebrida, Toru Suzuki and Matsuda depriving a Pietreczko, Landman or Sedlacek would be ludicrous.

Keep Europe at 4 and Asia at 7 imo

Granted, a small sample size so far (particularly as they haven't played the full complement of events in Asia), but there have been some pleasant surprises from the Philippines this year. I think we're overestimating how important the European qualifiers are, they are certainly capable of springing an upset in the first round or two, and I guess they might spike TV interest back home, but they're never going to go on a deep deep run, and if they want to have a serious crack at being a pro they always have Q-School. Considering the potential for growth in Asia, I think it's worth seeing how they get on, especially as there aren't any scrubs coming from there anymore

[thegentle]

Granted, I will say that the North Americans might feel aggrieved (if indeed they aren't getting more places as well lol), the same principle applies to that part of the world, except they're more developed at this moment in time. There will be some quality players with lots of experience of the big stage missing out from North America, in Asia we're talking about promising players who could be good

[oche balboa]

After the latest European Tour

1 Michael Smith 1179.5
2 Michael van Gerwen 991
3 Peter Wright 826.5
4 Luke Humphries 508.25
5 Gerwyn Price 500.25
6 Danny Noppert 443
7 Nathan Aspinall 427.5
8 Dirk van Duijvenbode 418.25
9 Rob Cross 413.25
10 Dimitri Van den Bergh 377.75
11 Jonny Clayton 369.75
12 Dave Chisnall 367.75
13 Damon Heta 332.5
14 Ross Smith 321.25
15 Joe Cullen 315.5
16 Andrew Gilding 280.75
17 Ryan Searle 271
18 Chris Dobey 270.25
19 Gabriel Clemens 265.75
20 James Wade 263
21 Jose de Sousa 249.25
22 Gary Anderson 245
23 Josh Rock 236.75
24 Martin Schindler 236.5
25 Krzysztof Ratajski 223.25
26 Stephen Bunting 220
27 Daryl Gurney 198.75
28 Kim Huybrechts 187.75
29 Raymond van Barneveld 185.25
30 Callan Rydz 172
31 Brendan Dolan 171.25
32 Madars Razma 148
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33 Alan Soutar 142.75
34 Martin Lukeman 126.5
35 Mervyn King 121
36 William O'Connor 119.5


Pro Tour

1 Mike De Decker 28
2 Simon Whitlock 25
3 Ian White 25
4 Keane Barry 22
5 Matt Campbell 21.75
6 Steve Beaton 21.25
7 Ricardo Pietreczko 20.5
8 Gian van Veen 20.25
9 Jim Williams 19.75
10 Bradley Brooks 19.5
11 Keegan Brown 19.25
12 Mario Vandenbogaerde 19.25
13 Richard Veenstra 19
14 Dylan Slevin 18
15 Luke Woodhouse 17
16 Jermaine Wattimena 15.5
17 Jamie Hughes 14.75
18 Chris Landman 14.5
19 Lee Evans 14
20 Steve Lennon 13.75
21 Andy Boulton 13.5
22 Martijn Kleermaker 13.5
23 William O'Connor 13
24 Pascal Rupprecht 12.75
25 Ted Evetts 12.5
26 Ryan Meikle 12.5
27 Boris Krcmar 12.25
28 Ryan Joyce 12
29 Graham Hall 11.75
30 Niels Zonneveld 11.75
31 Mickey Mansell 11.25
32 Jurjen van der Velde 11.25
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33 Martin Lukeman 11
34 Ross Montgomery 11
35 Alan Soutar 10.75
36 Berry van Peer 10.75
37 Ricky Evans 10.5
38 Krzysztof Kciuk 10.5
39 Jeffrey Sparidaans 10.5
40 Graham Usher 9.75

[Rogg]

Selected extras on the pro tour list misery heap:


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44. Menzies
46. Van der Voort
47. Suljovic
48. De Zwaan
49. Rowby-John
75. Waites
79. James Wilson
83. King
84. Murnan
86. Labanauskas
115. Jeff Smith
142. Devon Petersen

[sennafan24]

Merv

[TheMalteseDart]

Think him gaining about 10 Stone in the space of about a year hasn’t helped

[DeepFriedRat]

Think him gaining about 10 Stone in the space of about a year hasn’t helped

Harsh but true

[thegentle]

European Qualifiers will make way imo

That or take one away from Down Under

As much as the European qualifiers are always the more likely to be the better ones, do we still need them? While the top 64 players can no longer enter them, anyone in Europe, especially Western Europe has ample opportunity throughout the year to qualify for various events, do they need the additional carrot of a Worlds spot?

The Indian Qualifiers are also historically garbage. Yes they'll never get any better unless you give them chances but it would be silly for a Nitin Kumar to take the place of a Niko Springer.

A similar argument comes up in football for the World Cup and I disagree. It's a 'World Championship'. Like in Football, sure Europe is better than Asia, and we could take away a spot for Asia and give it to Europe. But is it worth having a country like Slovakia at the World Cup instead of an Iran? Better representation is better for qualification spots

A happy medium is good too

Like you don't want the Worlds flooded with Jimmy Hendriks, Zoran Lerchbacher, Hempel, Jose Justicia, John MIchael and Omelchenko at the expense of Asada or Malicdem.

Likewise overdosing with Perez, Ilagan, Muramatsu, Lim, Nebrida, Toru Suzuki and Matsuda depriving a Pietreczko, Landman or Sedlacek would be ludicrous.

Keep Europe at 4 and Asia at 7 imo

To be fair, if someone like the Europeans you have mentioned don't make it via the ProTour, would they really be that much of a miss? You mention Pietreczko, but this is due to be his debut at the Worlds, and Sedlacek as it stands will have to play in the Eastern European qualifier with the likes of Gawlas, Bialecki, Kciuk and Szaganski. The Asians (and of course the North Americans, I'd have loved to have seen them get more spots) just don't have the same opportunities to play so regularly on the tour, I think they deserve a platform too

[thegentle]

Think him gaining about 10 Stone in the space of about a year hasn’t helped

A tremendous effort considering he wasn't exactly thin to begin with

[thegentle]

Selected extras on the pro tour list misery heap:


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44. Menzies
46. Van der Voort
47. Suljovic
48. De Zwaan
49. Rowby-John
75. Waites
79. James Wilson
83. King
84. Murnan
86. Labanauskas
115. Jeff Smith
142. Devon Petersen

It's a tough old tour these days, some of those names aren't a surprise, some of them it's not surprising to see them struggling but perhaps a surprise to see them that far down but the likes of Vinny and RJR were regularly appearing on TV last year. We're pretty much at the halfway stage of the ProTour season now in terms of events, although most of the Euro Tour events where the big money can be made have been played already

[tungsten tossers]

Think him gaining about 10 Stone in the space of about a year hasn’t helped

He needs to get back to delivering those Amazon parcels

[Greipel]

Should make it EADC again. Boris Koltsov in the Worlds is needed

Wee wee wee

You will offend lots of with this.