The WDF is worse than the BDO though. I'd be suprised if more than 2 WDF players escape from the group stages
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So would I as I'm only proposing 1 or 2 WDF invites!!!!Smithy1412 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:02 pmThe WDF is worse than the BDO though. I'd be suprised if more than 2 WDF players escape from the group stages
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The WDF is not relevant enough.
The sooner Thorn and Oche accept this the better.
The sooner Thorn and Oche accept this the better.
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I accepted it long agosennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:11 pm The WDF is not relevant enough.
The sooner Thorn and Oche accept this the better.
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I really don't think you and Oche realise how niche the WDF is to casual darts fans.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:21 pmI accepted it long agosennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:11 pm The WDF is not relevant enough.
The sooner Thorn and Oche accept this the better.
I would wager many don't even know it exists and will be unaware they ran a World Championship last year. Even the BDO post-BBC was far more relevant. Lakeside used to draw decent audiences on Channel 4.
Not only that but the gap in quality between the PDC and the WDF is wider than it ever was between the PDC and BDO. Most of the WDF's top players are active in the PDC in one way or another anyway. The only player of note exclusive to the WDF is Neil Duff, who isn't even in the world's top 100 players.
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Someone in a WhatsApp group I am in didn't have any idea who the WDF was and thought the Welsh Open was just a cash comp these days because the BDO had gone bust.sennafan24 wrote:I really don't think you and Oche realise how niche the WDF is to casual darts fans.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:21 pmI accepted it long agosennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:11 pm The WDF is not relevant enough.
The sooner Thorn and Oche accept this the better.
I would wager many don't even know it exists and will be unaware they ran a World Championship last year. Even the BDO post-BBC was far more relevant. Lakeside used to draw decent audiences on Channel 4.
Not only that but the gap in quality between the PDC and the WDF is wider than it ever was between the PDC and BDO. Most of the WDF's top players are active in the PDC in one way or another anyway. The only player of note exclusive to the WDF is Neil Duff, who isn't even in the world's top 100 players.
And this isn't someone who is alien to darts, he's been to numerous Welsh Opens in the past. Says it all.
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That’s, well, fascinating.The Ginge Reaper wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 6:40 pmSomeone in a WhatsApp group I am in didn't have any idea who the WDF was and thought the Welsh Open was just a cash comp these days because the BDO had gone bust.sennafan24 wrote:I really don't think you and Oche realise how niche the WDF is to casual darts fans.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:21 pmI accepted it long agosennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:11 pm The WDF is not relevant enough.
The sooner Thorn and Oche accept this the better.
I would wager many don't even know it exists and will be unaware they ran a World Championship last year. Even the BDO post-BBC was far more relevant. Lakeside used to draw decent audiences on Channel 4.
Not only that but the gap in quality between the PDC and the WDF is wider than it ever was between the PDC and BDO. Most of the WDF's top players are active in the PDC in one way or another anyway. The only player of note exclusive to the WDF is Neil Duff, who isn't even in the world's top 100 players.
And this isn't someone who is alien to darts, he's been to numerous Welsh Opens in the past. Says it all.
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I know all that. Casuals don't know shit. I don't care about them. On this forum we represent hardcore darts fans therefore we should be inclusive to all organisations.sennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:31 pmI really don't think you and Oche realise how niche the WDF is to casual darts fans.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:21 pmI accepted it long agosennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:11 pm The WDF is not relevant enough.
The sooner Thorn and Oche accept this the better.
I would wager many don't even know it exists and will be unaware they ran a World Championship last year. Even the BDO post-BBC was far more relevant. Lakeside used to draw decent audiences on Channel 4.
Not only that but the gap in quality between the PDC and the WDF is wider than it ever was between the PDC and BDO. Most of the WDF's top players are active in the PDC in one way or another anyway. The only player of note exclusive to the WDF is Neil Duff, who isn't even in the world's top 100 players.
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What does this even mean?
Do I think the WDF is useful for running smaller events for prospects, journeymen and former pros? Yes.
Am I interested in following said events? No, it's not an especially exciting or interesting product even to "hardcore" darts fans.
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You barely watch darts you are not includedsennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:09 pmWhat does this even mean?
Do I think the WDF is useful for running smaller events for prospects, journeymen and former pros? Yes.
Am I interested in following said events? No, it's not an especially exciting or interesting product even to "hardcore" darts fans.
For myself I think WDF is fine. They have events every weekend so there is something to follow or put on when there is nothing else. And their majors are exciting. It doesn't have to be the best thing since sliced bread. But still there are lots of good players in WDF so I will always respect them and pay attention
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It's an amateur darts organisation that runs smaller events for prospects and journeymen.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:16 pm You barely watch darts you are not included
For myself I think WDF is fine. They have events every weekend so there is something to follow or put on when there is nothing else. And their majors are exciting. It doesn't have to be the best thing since sliced bread. But still there are lots of good players in WDF so I will always respect them and pay attention
Nothing more, nothing less.
Their "exciting" majors are one of their biggest issues currently. They are pushing it running a 9 day TV event imo. The demand and talent simply isn't there to support such an event.
They should just stick to running smaller events, and not waste time and money trying to recreate the past or gain recognition from the PDC. I actually think Little Richard recognised this to some degree. You, Oche and others? Sadly not.
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No need to be a cunt. I agree Lakey should be 4-5 dayssennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:33 pmIt's an amateur darts organisation that runs smaller events for prospects and journeymen.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:16 pm You barely watch darts you are not included
For myself I think WDF is fine. They have events every weekend so there is something to follow or put on when there is nothing else. And their majors are exciting. It doesn't have to be the best thing since sliced bread. But still there are lots of good players in WDF so I will always respect them and pay attention
Nothing more, nothing less.
Their "exciting" majors are one of their biggest issues currently. They are pushing it running a 9 day TV event imo. The demand and talent simply isn't there to support such an event.
They should just stick to running smaller events, and not waste time and money trying to recreate the past or gain recognition from the PDC. I actually think Little Richard recognised this to some degree. You, Oche and others? Sadly not.
But as long as it's there it's good for us to have it
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I've been saying the same for a long time and so has Oche. Stop trying to score pointsThe Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:37 pmNo need to be a cunt. I agree Lakey should be 4-5 dayssennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:33 pmIt's an amateur darts organisation that runs smaller events for prospects and journeymen.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:16 pm You barely watch darts you are not included
For myself I think WDF is fine. They have events every weekend so there is something to follow or put on when there is nothing else. And their majors are exciting. It doesn't have to be the best thing since sliced bread. But still there are lots of good players in WDF so I will always respect them and pay attention
Nothing more, nothing less.
Their "exciting" majors are one of their biggest issues currently. They are pushing it running a 9 day TV event imo. The demand and talent simply isn't there to support such an event.
They should just stick to running smaller events, and not waste time and money trying to recreate the past or gain recognition from the PDC. I actually think Little Richard recognised this to some degree. You, Oche and others? Sadly not.
But as long as it's there it's good for us to have it
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Then why are you still proposing that the PDC should give the WDF GSOD spots?
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Because I would like to see itsennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:45 pmThen why are you still proposing that the PDC should give the WDF GSOD spots?
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Pointless. As stated, it's not going to become any more relevant or recognised than it is now.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:45 pmBecause I would like to see itsennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:45 pmThen why are you still proposing that the PDC should give the WDF GSOD spots?
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I don't care. For me it would improve the events. I don't care about what casuals thinksennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:52 pmPointless. As stated, it's not going to become any more relevant or recognised than it is now.The Thorn wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:45 pmBecause I would like to see itsennafan24 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 7:45 pmThen why are you still proposing that the PDC should give the WDF GSOD spots?
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I'd like a national holiday in celebration of the birth of Rod Harrington.
Doesn't mean I am going to waste time proposing it online.
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