2024 Premier League

[TheMalteseDart]

world champ final standard humphries could deifnitely compete with them/beat them but agree the consistency over months n years just wont be there

Based on a hunch and little more, I suspect Humphries will finish his career ahead of Smith, Cross and Price.

Probably around Wright and Gando level.

But not higher.

Gando and Wright aren't the same level. I know they have won similar amounts of titles etc but Gando is a much better player

I have Anderson over Wright in my all time list but I think Anderson being much flashier than Wright makes him look a lot better but their peak numbers are similar. I got into darts a lot later than a lot of people on here but I’ve not seen many better than Wright when he’s in full flow, absolutely unplayable at times.

Both are two time world champions, on achievement’s there isn’t loads in it

[sennafan24]

world champ final standard humphries could deifnitely compete with them/beat them but agree the consistency over months n years just wont be there

Based on a hunch and little more, I suspect Humphries will finish his career ahead of Smith, Cross and Price.

Probably around Wright and Gando level.

But not higher.

Gando and Wright aren't the same level. I know they have won similar amounts of titles etc but Gando is a much better player

ATG rankings are mostly based on achievements. As well as who you beat, and how you did it.

Wright at his best was also a beast (Matchplay 2021, final sets of Ally Pally 2022, etc). He also did beat a decent version of MVG to win his first Ally Pally.

All things considered, I do rate Gando a few spots higher.

[Randall]

Gando at his best certainly isn't "much better" than Wright, if he is, it's marginal.
Boths records are superior to the headshaker and are ahead of him on an all time list now

[Cooking with Sanchez]

Anderson
Barney
Wright

Is the correct order for that tier of the all time list

cooking with sanchez absolutely seething

For me it’s Barney and then either of the other two.

[Potter's Lake]

Gando at his best certainly isn't "much better" than Wright, if he is, it's marginal.
Boths records are superior to the headshaker and are ahead of him on an all time list now

+1

[DeepFriedRat]

Gando at his best certainly isn't "much better" than Wright, if he is, it's marginal.
Boths records are superior to the headshaker and are ahead of him on an all time list now

Van Barneveld

- 1 PDC World Title and 1 other final
- 1 Grand Slam
- 1 Premier League (it's unranked but it undoubtedly matters)
- 2 UK Opens
- 1 Desert Classic
- 3 Runner Ups in Matchplay/WGP combined
- 1 Euro Tour

- 4 BDO World Titles and 2 other finals, in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today
- 2 BDO World Masters Titles in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today
- 12 other BDO televised major events in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today

- No TV wins 2015-2024
- Ranking wins from 1995-2007 only

Wright

- 2 PDC World Titles and 1 other final
- 1 Matchplay
- 1 UK Open
- 2 European Championships
- 1 PCF
- 1 PDC Masters (unranked)
- 8 Euro Tours
- 4 Runner Ups in WGP and Grand Slam combined
- No tv titles in the BDO

- No tv wins from 1995-2016
- Ranking wins from 2017-2023 only

Although the BDO was always inferior to the PDC, it shouldn't be airbrushed from history, especially by players who have achieved success in both codes, e.g. Barney, Anderson, Thornton etc.

In the history of darts, please explain how Wright is clear on Van Barneveld on this evidence.

[sennafan24]

- No tv wins from 1995-2017

In fairness, Wright only seemingly participated in the 2001 World Masters and 2005 UK Open between 1995 and 2009. He also did win a 2nd round game in the 2005 UK Open (probably wasn't shown on TV). I wish Darts Database was still around as that would give us a better picture, but it appears he only really started to take it seriously in 2009.

[Randall]

Gando at his best certainly isn't "much better" than Wright, if he is, it's marginal.
Boths records are superior to the headshaker and are ahead of him on an all time list now

Van Barneveld

- 1 PDC World Title and 1 other final
- 1 Grand Slam
- 1 Premier League (it's unranked but it undoubtedly matters)
- 2 UK Opens
- 1 Desert Classic
- 3 Runner Ups in Matchplay/WGP combined
- 1 Euro Tour

- 4 BDO World Titles and 2 other finals, in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today
- 2 BDO World Masters Titles in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today
- 12 other BDO televised major events in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today

- No TV wins 2014-2024
- Ranking wins from 1995-2007 only

Wright

- 2 PDC World Titles and 1 other final
- 1 Matchplay
- 1 UK Open
- 2 European Championships
- 1 PCF
- 1 PDC Masters (unranked)
- 8 Euro Tours
- 4 Runner Ups in WGP and Grand Slam combined
- No tv titles in the BDO

- No tv wins from 1995-2017
- Ranking wins from 2017-2023 only

Although the BDO was always inferior to the PDC, it shouldn't be airbrushed from history, especially by players who have achieved success in both codes, e.g. Barney, Anderson, Thornton etc.

In the history of darts, please explain how Wright is clear on Van Barneveld on this evidence.

The evidence is in your post

[oche balboa]

Randall will always have a slight towards Barneveld because he's did most of his stuff in the BDO.

[Randall]

Randall will always have a slight towards Barneveld because he's did most of his stuff in the BDO.

You don't think he has massively underachieved since 2008?

[sennafan24]

Randall will always have a slight towards Barneveld because he's did most of his stuff in the BDO.

You don't think he has massively underachieved since 2008?

Barney's PDC career after mid-2007 was a massive letdown.

In the first 18 months as a PDC player he won 4 TV events.

Over the next 17 years (2007-2024) he won only 2 TV events and he's won zero in the past decade.

[Randall]

Randall will always have a slight towards Barneveld because he's did most of his stuff in the BDO.

You don't think he has massively underachieved since 2008?

Barney's PDC career after mid-2007 was a massive letdown.

In the first 18 months as a PDC player he won 4 TV events.

Over the next 17 years (2007-2024) he won only 2 TV events and he's won zero in the past decade.

He never recovered from the Vegas epiphany

[sennafan24]

He never recovered from the Vegas epiphany

It was probably the 2009 World final where reality really set in for him.

Vegas was just a continuation of that.

[Randall]

He never recovered from the Vegas epiphany

It was probably the 2009 World final where reality really set in for him.

Vegas was just a continuation of that.

The 09 final looks bad but he was competitive for much of the game. Taylor was just in god mode
Unfortunately for Barney his greatest triumph served only to light a fire under Taylor who hadn't really been at his best for a few years prior.

[sennafan24]

He never recovered from the Vegas epiphany

It was probably the 2009 World final where reality really set in for him.

Vegas was just a continuation of that.

The 09 final looks bad but he was competitive for much of the game. Taylor was just in god mode
Unfortunately for Barney his greatest triumph served only to light a fire under Taylor who hadn't really been at his best for a few years prior.

There is a story that the PDC commentators tell that implies Barney was broken after the 09 final. The story goes that Barney practiced like a madman before that game and was heartbroken that Taylor still beat him. As you noted, it's not like Barney didn't play well in that game either.

[sennafan24]

He never recovered from the Vegas epiphany

It was probably the 2009 World final where reality really set in for him.

Vegas was just a continuation of that.

The 09 final looks bad but he was competitive for much of the game. Taylor was just in god mode
Unfortunately for Barney his greatest triumph served only to light a fire under Taylor who hadn't really been at his best for a few years prior.

35.50 in.

[Randall]

He never recovered from the Vegas epiphany

It was probably the 2009 World final where reality really set in for him.

Vegas was just a continuation of that.

The 09 final looks bad but he was competitive for much of the game. Taylor was just in god mode
Unfortunately for Barney his greatest triumph served only to light a fire under Taylor who hadn't really been at his best for a few years prior.

There is a story that the PDC commentators tell that implies Barney was broken after the 09 final. The story goes that Barney practiced like a madman before that game and was heartbroken that Taylor still beat him. As you noted, it's not like Barney didn't play well in that game either.

He played more or less the same standard as 07
Just a different Taylor

[Randall]

He never recovered from the Vegas epiphany

It was probably the 2009 World final where reality really set in for him.

Vegas was just a continuation of that.

The 09 final looks bad but he was competitive for much of the game. Taylor was just in god mode
Unfortunately for Barney his greatest triumph served only to light a fire under Taylor who hadn't really been at his best for a few years prior.

35.50 in.

I'll have a listen later if I remember

[sennafan24]

He played more or less the same standard as 07
Just a different Taylor

Barney's averages in the 2007 and 2009 Worlds were indeed near identical. In fact, his 2009 average was marginally higher.

Taylor had found another gear and would remain in that gear for another 18 months or so.

[DeepFriedRat]

Gando at his best certainly isn't "much better" than Wright, if he is, it's marginal.
Boths records are superior to the headshaker and are ahead of him on an all time list now

Van Barneveld

- 1 PDC World Title and 1 other final
- 1 Grand Slam
- 1 Premier League (it's unranked but it undoubtedly matters)
- 2 UK Opens
- 1 Desert Classic
- 3 Runner Ups in Matchplay/WGP combined
- 1 Euro Tour

- 4 BDO World Titles and 2 other finals, in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today
- 2 BDO World Masters Titles in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today
- 12 other BDO televised major events in very respectable fields with smaller trebles than today

- No TV wins 2014-2024
- Ranking wins from 1995-2007 only

Wright

- 2 PDC World Titles and 1 other final
- 1 Matchplay
- 1 UK Open
- 2 European Championships
- 1 PCF
- 1 PDC Masters (unranked)
- 8 Euro Tours
- 4 Runner Ups in WGP and Grand Slam combined
- No tv titles in the BDO

- No tv wins from 1995-2017
- Ranking wins from 2017-2023 only

Although the BDO was always inferior to the PDC, it shouldn't be airbrushed from history, especially by players who have achieved success in both codes, e.g. Barney, Anderson, Thornton etc.

In the history of darts, please explain how Wright is clear on Van Barneveld on this evidence.

The evidence is in your post

Everyone always points to Barney not winning anything ranked since 2007, which is fair. It's an extremely shite return.

But John Lowe never won a big ranked major PDC TV event ever (Worlds and Matchplay), in 8-9 years between 1994-2002, at roughly the same age as Barney was from 2014 to now. And he definitely wasn't spent, like Bristow for example, at the time of the split because he won the last unified Worlds.

Gary Anderson's tv ranking titles in the PDC have all been over a four year period- late 2014 to mid 2018, nothing before or since.

But both are regarded on here as significantly more successful than Barney. Just saying.