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Post by Rogg » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm

Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
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Post by Randall » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm

Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
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Post by Tommo » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:07 pm

Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
I wonder what odds he got?
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Post by The Thorn » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm

Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
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Post by thegentle » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 am

Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
Looool, Gando has always had bad games in him, he's lost games to worse players than Duzza on TV while putting some absolutely horrendous performances, if anything, he's the one 'top' player I would expect a performance like that from
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Post by Captain Hobo » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 am

thegentle wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 am
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
Looool, Gando has always had bad games in him, he's lost games to worse players than Duzza on TV while putting some absolutely horrendous performances, if anything, he's the one 'top' player I would expect a performance like that from
Agree with this.

I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that if they play those Finals again, Duzza will play just as shit as he did on Thursday, but the others will play closer to their normal level.

It was a weird night of darts, they all seemed to drag each other down. Why everyone is assuming that Duzza is no longer capable of averaging over 90 is beyond me.
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Post by Randall » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:48 am

thegentle wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 am
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
Looool, Gando has always had bad games in him, he's lost games to worse players than Duzza on TV while putting some absolutely horrendous performances, if anything, he's the one 'top' player I would expect a performance like that from
Granted he has, everyone has
But 84 across 19 legs is alarming
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Post by Randall » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:49 am

Tommo wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:07 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 pm
Randall wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Cant think he beats gando very often chucking turds like that
The more time that passes and the more you think about, the freakier the actual outcome becomes. Still happened though.
Of all the top end players
Gando is not one you would expect to put in a shift like that
Too much natural talent to be that bad for 19 legs
Hard to fathom
I wonder what odds he got?
To offset the 250k very good ones
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Post by Rogg » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:45 pm

The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
Impressive stuff. 1 in 100 you have decided. I was going to be a bit more generous than that but I don't want to now.

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Post by Rogg » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:57 pm

Captain Hobo wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 am I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that if they play those Finals again, Duzza will play just as shit as he did on Thursday, but the others will play closer to their normal level.
I don't know where you read that. The scenario presented was obviously pure fantasy.
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Post by Captain Hobo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:53 am

Rogg wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:57 pm
Captain Hobo wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:58 am I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that if they play those Finals again, Duzza will play just as shit as he did on Thursday, but the others will play closer to their normal level.
I don't know where you read that. The scenario presented was obviously pure fantasy.
Well in that case, I say Duzza wins 50 times, 2001 John Walton wins 49 and Denis Ovens wins the other 1.
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Post by vizIIsto » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:51 am

The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
At least you admit Durrant was shit that night. Next up is admitting he's shit in general.




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Post by SuperSwede » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:02 am

The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
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Post by sennafan24 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:30 am

The only recent PDC TV tournament I can find where the winner posted mediocre averages in both the semi finals and the final was the 2018 European Championship.

Wade averaged a shade under 94 in the semi final, and then 91 in the final. Very unimpressive averages for the business end of a tournament, but still better overall than what Dulla averaged in the PL playoffs last week.
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Post by Rogg » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:39 am

SuperSwede wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:02 am
The Thorn wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:01 pm
Rogg wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 pm If they stage Thursday's PL setup 100 times, and Duzza plays to his Thursday standard every time, how many times would Duzza win the PL?
Durrant averaged 86.1 in that game. In Ando's last 100 recorded games (based on database) he averaged lower than that 3/100 times. Durrant had a 53% checkout rate though so you might be more generous and count every Ando game under a 90 average. That's 7/100.

Durrant averaged 91.8 in the final. but with a measly 35% checkout rate. So I'll adjust to that and say Asp would have beaten him with an average of at least 91. (Well he actually didn't but that's a different thing.) Durrant theoretically wins that game 10/100.

So to answer your question Durrant would have win the PL playing to the same standard 0.7/100 times. Might as well round that up to 1/100, well there's the one that actually happened :D

Of course this is just a botched calculation and I've no idea why I did this. It doesn't take into any outside factors whatsoever. If you assume the circumstances played a part, you would give Durrant more leeway because in different circumstances his performances would have likely been better too.
My instinct says between 2-3% of the time. Nearer 2.
Interesting. You're fractionally more optimistic than Thorn then =D

This could be applied to anybody of course. 'Player X' who played at his level in that schedule on Thursday.
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Post by Rogg » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 am

sennafan24 wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:30 am The only recent PDC TV tournament I can find where the winner posted mediocre averages in both the semi finals and the final was the 2018 European Championship.

Wade averaged a shade under 94 in the semi final, and then 91 in the final. Very unimpressive averages for the business end of a tournament, but still better overall than what Dulla averaged in the PL playoffs last week.
Hmm, that's a good likening. My beloved Hopp-Cullen final that never was.

We even (my memory) had Hoppo binning three match darts v Wade in that semi-final. :(

It just had to be Wade and Duzza who walked off with these cups, didn't it?
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