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You was not wrong lol. Now stop posting those pictures of cow botherer, that's giving me nightmares. Thinking of that whole BDO travel club in Turkey with swimsuits around the pool, on the boat rides etc... Won't be able to close my eyes for fear of night terrors.
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KOTW was there for the taking by Bo Selectas Boy Toy. But seems as if JC being the benevolent Fenian that he is decided to spread the award around a bit. A well deserved moaning blind from diabetes with no feeling in his extremities and just about ready for an insulin pump lazy fat ass Barney swoops in to take this weeks honors.
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Fucking hell, a flock of Big Worms?The usual attention whores on fanatics have claimed they were given proof of Lakeshite happening, except these attention whores are lying, why would they know and the players not ?
HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:09 pmMaybe he could have dragged Taylor down, we will never know.
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JC is right on Barney this time. And I'm really sorry to say this.
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Seemed a little bit tame this week.
Not that I read it.
Not that I read it.
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It would be a clew of big worms. To get rid of a clew of worms you need a murder of crows.sennafan24 wrote:Fucking hell, a flock of Big Worms?The usual attention whores on fanatics have claimed they were given proof of Lakeshite happening, except these attention whores are lying, why would they know and the players not ?
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Oh dear.
HalloweenJack wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:09 pmMaybe he could have dragged Taylor down, we will never know.
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Well done for valuing our product at zero.
Dressing this up as a good idea is yet another new low and god knows there have been plenty.
Dressing this up as a good idea is yet another new low and god knows there have been plenty.
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Maybe I am being a bit thick.Randall wrote:Well done for valuing our product at zero.
Dressing this up as a good idea is yet another new low and god knows there have been plenty.
But what is this in reference to?
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Bit extreme that.The 11 or whatever Players champs weekends the PDC put on each year should be scrapped and the PDC should create 10 extra Euro tours to replace them.
A player champs weekend pays out 10k twice in a weekend, so a Euro tour would not be much more expensive, and factor in you would have crowds so they could sell tickets to recoup money. The PDC are losing money on floor championships held in a sterile atmosphere with no crowds.
They could hold the extra Euro Tours throughout the UK, to go alongside the ones held in Germany, Austria, Holland, etc.
The floor champs simply is not working, its not producing TV players, even this shitty glorified exbo the World series is better at finding some players. Something needs to change with floor champs.
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More Euro Tour events would mean more floor qualifiers for them, so it's not like those additional stage tournaments would help the development of guys like Van den Bergh who don't manage to qualify much for them to begin with.
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Sure if you can involve all 128 players in a Euro Tour style event. Going to qualifiers all the time is harsh on the card holders because the seeds get in every time.
And if you make everything unseeded, not sure you would really get the type of product you need. Aspinall, Searle, Mansell ir Scott Taylor were great to see in a pro tour final but if you saw these kind of guys in the latter stages of ET events all the time, I doubt that would be as nice.
Bottom line, there is a damn good reason for the PC events being radically different than the TV/ET events. Both in length/format and players involved. And I you can't magically change that with just saying "every event should be played on stage"
And if you make everything unseeded, not sure you would really get the type of product you need. Aspinall, Searle, Mansell ir Scott Taylor were great to see in a pro tour final but if you saw these kind of guys in the latter stages of ET events all the time, I doubt that would be as nice.
Bottom line, there is a damn good reason for the PC events being radically different than the TV/ET events. Both in length/format and players involved. And I you can't magically change that with just saying "every event should be played on stage"
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Giving away free tickets for lakeshitesennafan24 wrote:Maybe I am being a bit thick.Randall wrote:Well done for valuing our product at zero.
Dressing this up as a good idea is yet another new low and god knows there have been plenty.
But what is this in reference to?
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Yeah, for logistical reasons a tour consisting just of stage tournaments would arguably only work if they dug up the old plans for a 64-player "elite" tour again, with #65 and below getting shunted off to an improved Challenge Tour. Personally I think that would get stale pretty quickly.The Thorn wrote:Sure if you can involve all 128 players in a Euro Tour style event. Going to qualifiers all the time is harsh on the card holders because the seeds get in every time.
And if you make everything unseeded, not sure you would really get the type of product you need. Aspinall, Searle, Mansell ir Scott Taylor were great to see in a pro tour final but if you saw these kind of guys in the latter stages of ET events all the time, I doubt that would be as nice.
Bottom line, there is a damn good reason for the PC events being radically different than the TV/ET events. Both in length/format and players involved. And I you can't magically change that with just saying "every event should be played on stage"
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Got yours yet ?Randall wrote:Giving away free tickets for lakeshitesennafan24 wrote:Maybe I am being a bit thick.Randall wrote:Well done for valuing our product at zero.
Dressing this up as a good idea is yet another new low and god knows there have been plenty.
But what is this in reference to?
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I have some standards.Mabbsy wrote:Got yours yet ?Randall wrote:Giving away free tickets for lakeshitesennafan24 wrote:Maybe I am being a bit thick.Randall wrote:Well done for valuing our product at zero.
Dressing this up as a good idea is yet another new low and god knows there have been plenty.
But what is this in reference to?
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He's still deciding which county he wants to get billed for the ticket when he doesn't turn up.Mabbsy wrote:Got yours yet ?Randall wrote:Giving away free tickets for lakeshite
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JC in regards to the PC issue; is a man with a band aid looking for a wound. I don't think there is a problem and I don't think the PCs are there to solely develop stage players. I see the PCs as a sorting mechanism to find potential talent and develop as its primary goals. ETs are the stage player developing tool as JC argues. But even then your just going to have some players who find their stage legs and some never will and some will be inconsistent. It is the nature of sport and even more so darts as I think it is a sport that historically lends itself to a very small handful of players that dominate for brief spats. Ok, once in a great while you get a player who does a Phil and runs the table for decades. On stage the gap between the top 4 or so players is pretty big in standard and even bigger gap in terms of consistency and results. But I would argue that has always been the case in darts.
Developing talent or finding talent is always a bit of a crap shoot. Taken by itself it is a money loser in every sport, but in the context of the league or top tier team, its return on investment looks much better. And so it is with darts.
I think we have had more young players taking the stage in recent years than say 7 or 8 years ago because more opportunities and larger influx of young players coming in. So it is a matter of seeing a larger number of young players flattering to deceive with their one off great matches or runs in an event. But it isn't a problem it is a sign of the sport going forward and bringing in younger players than in the earlier days of the PDC. I can remember when it seemed that only Lewis and Wade where the only young guys worth a shit in the PDC and I would argue their early results in performances where in part playing a much weaker field of talent than we see now. Also I think those 2 were a bit of an anomaly as they where younger players that had a knack for the stage early on in their careers. Still Wade took 3 years or so before he hit his stride and won some big events. Lewis took a little less time to be serious threat than Wade but took him much longer to win his first major. Again all in a lesser field of talent than the youngsters of today are facing.
Eventually the Pro Tour is going to be split between a top tier and second. Not convinced this is a good idea at this moment but it will all depend on the way it is done. The PCs provide the average pro tour player the frequent opportunity to be playing quality talent and this is the key to developing players imho. Take that away and not convinced the PCs will be the effective tool for sorting and development that it is now. They will just become another challenge tour and how many of the players coming off the challenge tour into the Pro Tour are doing much?
Developing talent or finding talent is always a bit of a crap shoot. Taken by itself it is a money loser in every sport, but in the context of the league or top tier team, its return on investment looks much better. And so it is with darts.
I think we have had more young players taking the stage in recent years than say 7 or 8 years ago because more opportunities and larger influx of young players coming in. So it is a matter of seeing a larger number of young players flattering to deceive with their one off great matches or runs in an event. But it isn't a problem it is a sign of the sport going forward and bringing in younger players than in the earlier days of the PDC. I can remember when it seemed that only Lewis and Wade where the only young guys worth a shit in the PDC and I would argue their early results in performances where in part playing a much weaker field of talent than we see now. Also I think those 2 were a bit of an anomaly as they where younger players that had a knack for the stage early on in their careers. Still Wade took 3 years or so before he hit his stride and won some big events. Lewis took a little less time to be serious threat than Wade but took him much longer to win his first major. Again all in a lesser field of talent than the youngsters of today are facing.
Eventually the Pro Tour is going to be split between a top tier and second. Not convinced this is a good idea at this moment but it will all depend on the way it is done. The PCs provide the average pro tour player the frequent opportunity to be playing quality talent and this is the key to developing players imho. Take that away and not convinced the PCs will be the effective tool for sorting and development that it is now. They will just become another challenge tour and how many of the players coming off the challenge tour into the Pro Tour are doing much?
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I think the development success rate of the Challenge Tour is gonna improve, now that the Players Championship fill-ins are being chosen from the CT order of merit. The players who have shown the most promise on the CT are now immediately getting tested at the Pro Tour level, rather than only one year later (or never at all, if they don't win a tour card).cannibal wrote:Eventually the Pro Tour is going to be split between a top tier and second. Not convinced this is a good idea at this moment but it will all depend on the way it is done. The PCs provide the average pro tour player the frequent opportunity to be playing quality talent and this is the key to developing players imho. Take that away and not convinced the PCs will be the effective tool for sorting and development that it is now. They will just become another challenge tour and how many of the players coming off the challenge tour into the Pro Tour are doing much?
The PDC still really needs to come to their senses though and start awarding more tour cards directly through the Challenge Tour. That's the second step that's needed to turn the CT into an actual pathway to the Pro Tour, not just some place where players are forced to bide their time until the next Q School.
But yeah, I agree that the vital part is "players getting to play better opponents frequently". That's true both for CT players as well as for lower-level Pro Tour players. Playing only amongst themselves promotes stagnation, which is why I'm not a fan of the idea of splitting off the top 64 (or however many) altogether, even if it would be done to establish a potentially lucrative stage tournament tour.
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To expand some more on the whole "mixing better players with worse to make the worse ones better" topic - the Dev Tour pretty much has it right. It's intended as a secondary tour, but thanks to the age limit setup you get a bunch of stronger players, i.e. tour card level, to show up as well.
That's harder to replicate at the senior level where you normally expect players to be sorted into completely separate tiers. There's some overlap now with the top CT players getting Players Championship spots as mentioned, but could it be expanded further? One thing that comes to mind (but it might be a totally half-baked idea): Allow first-year tour card holders to also play the Challenge Tour?
That's harder to replicate at the senior level where you normally expect players to be sorted into completely separate tiers. There's some overlap now with the top CT players getting Players Championship spots as mentioned, but could it be expanded further? One thing that comes to mind (but it might be a totally half-baked idea): Allow first-year tour card holders to also play the Challenge Tour?
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