BDO statement re: PDC player restrictions

[Rogg]

Does the PDC still have the rule in place that tour card holders can't appear on stream or TV of other events unless they have prior permission?

Fran Carragher @FJC_180 2h
The onus is now shifted to the PDC to lift their "external streaming" ban on tour card holders

Barry Hearn @BarryHearn
This cannot happen. We have exclusive deals in place which prohibit it and this exclusivity allows us to charge premium fees to our partners which is a major reason why Pdc prizemoney is so high thus benefitting Pdc tour card holders. Great that bdo ended bans Our rules remain.

[cannibal]

Ffs Hearn, I can smell that shit all the way over here in 'merica.
So basically Hearn is saying we own the asses of tour card holders and have a right to, in order to protect our investment. I think I heard that somewhere before in history, some crackers over here use to say that about their property too.

[Rogg]

How many PDC players would even be members of the BDO or an affiliate that would allow them entry under the new rule? Don't see the change having any effect on PDC players. This is all about letting BDO players have a go at Ally Pally and Q school.

Aside from goodwill from the munters, how does the BDO as a system benefit from any of this then? They have hammered into the mushroom farm a jolly sign that says PDC >>>>>

It's almost like they're adopting the PDC Pro Tour as a pinnacle of their own design. They surely would not be doing that if they had an ounce of strength left in their own old bones. Are they in an even worse state than people realise?

You could point to Lakeside players who failed Q-School (Fitton, Hughes and Menzies) being able to play in BDO ranked events this year under this new rule. I guess in some ways that's a nice gain for the BDO but will piss off plenty of other players.

[cannibal]

Don't think the gay waiter has a long term plan, so good will and desire to be liked is the only thing I see. BDO can't get anything on TV and if they did they aren't getting much for it so bringing the likes of the failed q school player back isn't worth cat shit to the BDO.

[M H]

The delusion on Twitter has reached levels never seen before, even beats the "New Era"

Can't be arsed to copy it all over but here's the jist:

The start of reunification
With minor PDC players playing BDO events the broadcasters will flood back
Will be a massive boost to womens' darts

[Fiss Plaps]

BBC now reporting on it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/45280305

Best comment has to be this truly bewildering one from "moochinabout":

The type of person who supports PDC is your stereotypical SKY, Murdoch loving Tory. Plus I have no time for the Hearns. Arhhhhh.

???

[Zeyes]

Does the PDC still have the rule in place that tour card holders can't appear on stream or TV of other events unless they have prior permission?

Fran Carragher @FJC_180 2h
The onus is now shifted to the PDC to lift their "external streaming" ban on tour card holders

Barry Hearn @BarryHearn
This cannot happen. We have exclusive deals in place which prohibit it and this exclusivity allows us to charge premium fees to our partners which is a major reason why Pdc prizemoney is so high thus benefitting Pdc tour card holders. Great that bdo ended bans Our rules remain.

I'm sure having the exclusive rights to the likes of Jamie Bain and Tytus Kanik is a massive driver of the Sky and ITV contracts...

As silly as it is for the BDO to (theoretically) let every tour card holder into its tournaments without any playdown regulations at all, the PDC trying to prevent some poor #85-ranked guy from playing in a tournament that gets streamed to 50 diehards isn't any better.

[Randall]

Only Tories have sky??

[M H]

Only Tories have sky??

Most view on illegal streams!

[M H]

Does the PDC still have the rule in place that tour card holders can't appear on stream or TV of other events unless they have prior permission?

Fran Carragher @FJC_180 2h
The onus is now shifted to the PDC to lift their "external streaming" ban on tour card holders

Barry Hearn @BarryHearn
This cannot happen. We have exclusive deals in place which prohibit it and this exclusivity allows us to charge premium fees to our partners which is a major reason why Pdc prizemoney is so high thus benefitting Pdc tour card holders. Great that bdo ended bans Our rules remain.

I'm sure having the exclusive rights to the likes of Jamie Bain and Tytus Kanik is a massive driver of the Sky and ITV contracts...

As silly as it is for the BDO to (theoretically) let every tour card holder into its tournaments without any playdown regulations at all, the PDC trying to prevent some poor #85-ranked guy from playing in a tournament that gets streamed to 50 diehards isn't any better.

You forget that the PDC is the premium product and quite happy to carry on as is, and will. Any BDO player who wants to be part of it will have to go to Q School whilst the BDO are practically begging for the lower level tour card holders to play their events.

[cannibal]

Hearn's on this issue is thinking like a fucking dinosaur. In the early days when the PDC where few and purses where not so rich, the idea of exclusivity may have been important to keep players from going back to knab a shot at the old masters and Lakeside. But in these days and well since the time of Barney switching the PDC have the purses, the prestige, and the number of opportunities. There is no need to lock the players in to such a stupid rule of no TV and no stream unless its PDC. All the incentive is to play PDC as much as possible. Plus you just don't have time to fuck around with more than a few non PDC event a couple times a year. More money in exhbo and less risk than doing anything in the BDO.

This rule hurts the international players and the mid to low level players as it limits their opportunities to get an earner every so often. These are the guys who aren't making a living playing anyways. And what like all of 800 people at the most are watching the streams and TV is (was) twice a year for the BDO, those factors aren't hurting the Sky or ITV or whoevers margin.

[Greipel]

http://www.bdodarts.com/rulesupdate18.php

The BDO is set to remove all restrictions on PDC Tour Card holders as previously and currently placed upon them.

In a complete and radical U-turn, the new BDO Chairman/CEO Derek Jacklin and the current BDO Board of Directors have passed a resolution to remove the historic restrictions as placed on PDC players.

Mr Jacklin’s fresh approach is indicative of his declared intent to overhaul the current system and make positive changes for the better from within the organisation.

These changes will also demonstrate that players will no longer face any penalties relating to entry and participation at the PDC Q-School.

RULE 4.00 WILL NOW READ AS FOLLOWS

4.00 ELIGIBILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN QUALIFYING EVENTS

4.01 Conditions of participation in Qualifying Events

In order to participate in a Qualifying Event, a player;

a. Must be a member of the BDO or another member darts body of the World Darts Federation a list of which may be found at: Full and Associate Member BDO Darts Bodies

b. Must not be serving a period of ineligibility imposed by the BDO, the World Darts Federation or any member darts body of the World Darts Federation.

This decision will also serve to ensure that any women looking to enter the upcoming qualifiers into the Ladies Play Offs in the PDC World Championship will be free to participate without affecting their position within the BDO system and would take with them the BDO’s best wishes for success.

Mr Jacklin feels that this is now ‘the right time’ to implement these changes, putting further emphasis on the BDO’s ‘Darts For All’ ethos.

The new rule change will be applied equally across the Men’s and Ladies game and will come into effect on 1st October 2018.


Derek Jacklin
Chairman / CEO BDO

+2

[Rogg]

The delusion on Twitter has reached levels never seen before, even beats the "New Era"

Can't be arsed to copy it all over but here's the jist:

The start of reunification
With minor PDC players playing BDO events the broadcasters will flood back
Will be a massive boost to womens' darts

I'm glad you said that. I was beginning to think it was me. Mardle appeared to be channelling Warren Brown.

[Rogg]

Wayne Mardle @Wayne501Mardle
Could be a brilliant decision commercially, especially if known PDC players jump back after failing at Q School.

Chris Mason @Chris180Mason
The word "back" and "failing" is two words I dont associate with commercial success lol. As ive said great for those who drop off the radar or dip their toes in the PDC.

Wayne Mardle @Wayne501Mardle
If more known players from the PDC jump back and play in the BDO worlds ( if there is one ) commercially it should be easier to sell. Names sell!!! Would you like to watch Mandigers or Richie Burnett? Two names just pulled from thin air please don’t take choices too seriously.

Chris Mason @Chris180Mason
Because I doubt very much any of the big names from the current era will be chasing a pound note playing in low prize money poorly run events in the BDO. How many elite Premier League footballers play lower league football when their career is over?

Wayne Mardle @Wayne501Mardle
Hamilton, Newton...both premier league stars.

[skweezit]

what's to stop a person from entering q-school with no intent to win a tour card just to get the opportunity in both codes?
for 400 pounds to enter and 50 pounds a shot in the challenge tour. recoupable.
chances to play the uk open and ET qualifiers and still play bdo events.
maybe even get the nod for pro tour events every once in a while.

[M H]

Wayne Mardle @Wayne501Mardle
Could be a brilliant decision commercially, especially if known PDC players jump back after failing at Q School.

Chris Mason @Chris180Mason
The word "back" and "failing" is two words I dont associate with commercial success lol. As ive said great for those who drop off the radar or dip their toes in the PDC.

Wayne Mardle @Wayne501Mardle
If more known players from the PDC jump back and play in the BDO worlds ( if there is one ) commercially it should be easier to sell. Names sell!!! Would you like to watch Mandigers or Richie Burnett? Two names just pulled from thin air please don’t take choices too seriously.

Chris Mason @Chris180Mason
Because I doubt very much any of the big names from the current era will be chasing a pound note playing in low prize money poorly run events in the BDO. How many elite Premier League footballers play lower league football when their career is over?

Wayne Mardle @Wayne501Mardle
Hamilton, Newton...both premier league stars.

Sholten been omitted as has Mardle himself. Maybe bring in Priestly and Taylor

[Rogg]

what's to stop a person from entering q-school with no intent to win a tour card just to get the opportunity in both codes?
for 400 pounds to enter and 50 pounds a shot in the challenge tour. recoupable.
chances to play the uk open and ET qualifiers and still play bdo events.
maybe even get the nod for pro tour events every once in a while.

The #loyal BDO players will lynch you? Carragher is BDO ranked somewhere, I remember the name. There will be chaos if certain things happen.


Paul Butler @PB_IDL_Darts
And also meaning the Challenge Tour players (who get in Pro Tours off the CTOOM) have the best of both worlds...

Fran Carragher @FJC_180
Who can come along on dates that suit them and Nick 25 ranking points off a bdo tour player who might have needed the extra points for the chance to get to lakeside

[Fiss Plaps]

Paul Butler @PB_IDL_Darts
And also meaning the Challenge Tour players (who get in Pro Tours off the CTOOM) have the best of both worlds...

Fran Carragher @FJC_180
Who can come along on dates that suit them and Nick 25 ranking points off a bdo tour player who might have needed the extra points for the chance to get to Lakeshite

These two are acting like children.

Most Challenge Tour players are amateurs like themselves. Why should they be denied the opportunity to play in BDO events?

[cannibal]

If your not good enough to get a tour card, who really gives a fuck what they do. If any useless shit is stupid enough to game the system so they can have access to the BDO tour because they want to take advantage of getting on TV twice a year....vs a chance to get on TV to play for actual decent money a bunch of times a year....you just can't help village idiots that like to play in piss ups in shit holes.

I can see it now, the big promo for the Lakeside:
Home of World Darts, now hosting a bunch of players who couldn't get thru q school and play real pro darts will be slugging it out on the oche at Potter Piss Palace Emporium.

That is a promo sure to draw in the big bucks. Seriously the only people drawn to that are fake irish farmers, club footed flids, and fat slobs who run dart forums. And of course their 4 friends one of which is IFM as no one else will have him.

[Zeyes]

You forget that the PDC is the premium product and quite happy to carry on as is, and will. Any BDO player who wants to be part of it will have to go to Q School whilst the BDO are practically begging for the lower level tour card holders to play their events.

I'm not forgetting that, I just believe (similar to cannibal) that the PDC/Hearn goes to ridiculous lengths in that "premium product" attitude. All relevant organisational competition is dead or close to dead now. And let's be honest, they don't actually care about low-level PDC players appearing in streamed tin-pot opens - their actual concern is about private promoters contracting a bunch of big-name players for a PL/WS style exbo and trying to sell that to TV companies. They just can't be arsed to limit the language in their players contract to that actual issue, so they have the exclusivity rule written as expansively as possible.

Anyway, there would be tons of ways to rewrite the streaming/TV restrictions in a more sensible manner. A few possibilities just off the top of my head:

- no tournaments that aren't sanctioned by a recognized body (i.e. events with WDF or national org ranking points are okay)
- no tournaments with fewer than 32 players (to prevent the exbo-style events)
- no tournaments that clash with PDC tournaments that the player is eligible for

etc. etc.