What side of the divide

Post by **Justin Credible** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:05 pm

While all Dart Forums strive to be open to both codes and treat each equally it does not always work out that way due to the loyalty of mods/admin and of course the members.

There is no doubting the position of TheZoo (df) is predominatly anti pdc in terms of mods and admin,and a good few of the main posters who take every opportunity to slate it, and redirect members or harass members who dare to run down the BDO.

TSoD is often accused of being pro pdc, however with so many bdo players and pub/county players as members they too have no objection in turning on members who dare to over emphasize the failings of the bdo.

Double 16 seems to be the most balanced to me., but then again its a confusing board and somewhat sterile in terms of humour.

With the bdo only on tv 10 days a year, (the pdc beats that by february) is it any wonder the majority of darts related posts by casual fans is pro pdc.

So how do people see this forum evolve .
Will it be 50/50 ..? pro pdc ? or a mix of both ?
I know admin would opt for the last but circumstances have a way of dictating things

Post by **sat** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:18 pm

Depends on who's joining I suppose. I don't understand the problem with somebody having a liking for one over the other, it just gets boring when they say nothing else or blindly defend/attack. I don't think I'd vote for action against an account for either opinion unless it became simply a troll thing.
I'm yet to see any real divide in opinions on here.

Post by **Justin Credible** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:27 pm

Thing is Sat, I reckon there is only so many dart fans that will make use of Forums.
At the moment there is no shortage in terms of numbers.
The thing is to find a middle ground that entices and encourages people to join a darts forum for Darts.

Some are too strict in censorship, others a disgrace in what they allow in order to boost post count even if the said shit is nothing to actually do with darts.

and finding that balance is what is needed

Post by **sat** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:57 pm

Don't think I can add any more to what I said really. Other forums will do their thing, we will do ours. See how it evolves I expect.

Post by **D & B** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:06 am

Snakehipsx2 wrote:Personally I fall into the not arsed section when it comes to PDC .v. BDO crap. Both contribute loads of good stuff to my darting life and both contribute some bad stuff to my darting life. None of the bad stuff has, as yet, upset me hugely. What does make me wonder is when people predominantly attack one or the other on forums. Now I know it's done for effect and a laugh to some extent and I have batted for both sides, so to speak, in the past but it becomes an obsession with some and they lose their own identity on these here things, becoming such a one dimensional character that they cease to be interesting or funny which is sad I think.

Very interesting, from a no darters perspective I found it just another way to unite a clique.

Post by **Justin Credible** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:17 am

I believe were it not forthe split in darts and the formation of the pdc this forum along with many others would not exist.
Interest in Darts would still exist but not in the mainstream way it does now.
I see most members of forums falling into 2 groups.

a. the casual and tv fan
b. the guy who plays the game pub.county etc..

in a lot cases a crossover does happen but the growth in Darts has led to more pdc fans so in essence it would seem logical that future members might be more pdc orientated than the crossover fan who enjoys darts at a grass root level.

I have read on many forums where new members introduce themselves saying how they only started watching darts last year or only watch what is on telly.This is turn leads to anti pdc fans to have a pop calling them glory hunters, they reply the bdo is amatuer.
So it is a circular argument that will persist as long as 2 codes exist.

But in reference to the initial point I was trying to get at, is I am surprised more forums are not more pro pdc than they are at the moment.
When you consider the shambles the bdo is in ,the complete stale product, pathetic comps, paltry prizes and total useless cunts running the bdo, while the pdc goes from strength to strength, i am surprised the bdo have so many blinkered people defend the bdo top table as it does at the moment

Post by **Justin Credible** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:32 am

Snakehipsx2 wrote:
Justin Credible wrote: But in reference to the initial point I was trying to get at, is I am surprised more forums are not more pro pdc than they are at the moment.
When you consider the shambles the bdo is in ,the complete stale product, pathetic comps, paltry prizes and total useless cunts running the bdo, while the pdc goes from strength to strength, i am surprised the bdo have so many blinkered people defend the bdo top table as it does at the moment
I rest my case

And ?
I don't deny I am anti bdo,when it comes to those running it.
You obviously missed the original post where I stated that having such an opinion can get you banned, redirected, suspended, or stepped on other forums.

Post by **DrZoidberg** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:33 am

i reckon i like the PDC more, just based on the fact that i look forward to watching ally pally(last 32 onwardstbh) more than lakeside.

but thats probably also to do with the fact most of my favourite players are in the PDC ranks.

Post by **Justin Credible** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:35 am

do you find certain forums pro pdc or anti pdc Doc ??

Post by **D & B** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:36 am

DrZoidberg wrote:i reckon i like the PDC more, just based on the fact that i look forward to watching ally pally(last 32 onwardstbh) more than lakeside.

but thats probably also to do with the fact most of my favourite players are in the PDC ranks.

Me too, but that might just be down to the BDO not getting enough exposure.

Post by **DrZoidberg** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:37 am

Justin Credible wrote:do you find certain forums pro pdc or anti pdc Doc ??

ha ha i suppose i shouldve read the thread properly, i thought you were asking our opinions!

don't really know forum wise because i've only ever used this forum and DF.

Post by **Justin Credible** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:39 am

D & B wrote:
DrZoidberg wrote:i reckon i like the PDC more, just based on the fact that i look forward to watching ally pally(last 32 onwardstbh) more than lakeside.

but thats probably also to do with the fact most of my favourite players are in the PDC ranks.

Me too, but that might just be down to the BDO not getting enough exposure.

But who's fault is that ?
The blame for that lies with the bdo top table.

I see the bdo members on a forum like a minority,
But like all minorities you cannot upset them for fear of hurting their feelings for fear of being labeled a cunt.

Post by **Justin Credible** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:50 am

I was speaking hypothetically of course

Post by **force666** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:55 am

unless things have seriously changed on df since i was admin on there i do believe that a lot of the pro bdo is in essence a) to combat the mindless heathens who attend the premier league who endeavour to piss themselves through consumption, look like as big a twats as possible on camera whom have been fans of the pdc for as long as a month showcasing their knowledge being as its far greater than any other person who disputes their consummate and all encompassing knowledge of darts and b) quite simply for the purists or dare i say it romantics that have grown up watching the bdo since they were young and enjoy THE DARTS rather than the over hyped, over sensationalised media circus which seems more and more to be the PDC

Post by **sat** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:08 am

force666 wrote: ...showcasing their knowledge being as its far greater than any other person who disputes their consummate and all encompassing knowledge of darts...

See now you're getting fans mixed up with Sid.

Post by **force666** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:10 am

sat wrote:
force666 wrote: ...showcasing their knowledge being as its far greater than any other person who disputes their consummate and all encompassing knowledge of darts...
See now you're getting fans mixed up with Sid.

who should be killed

Post by **Justin Credible** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:50 am

fascinating....

Post by **M H** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:03 am

Interesting topic but why should a forum align itself to one code? I understand BDO forum as it is what it is but they can be very critical of the top table as well.

Trolls and cliques were mentioned earlier and that's what I honestly hope doesn't happen here, it detracts from decent debate and makes a site unwelcoming.

As for the codes themselves there's faults in both which in my opinion should be discussed fully, but not to the extent that all the positive is overlooked

Post by **Justin Credible** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:18 am

I am not suggesting any forum should concentrate on one side,for me bdo forums dont work as anyone seen to be negative is bowled out.so in essence a lot of members are biting their lip and not responding or are completely retarded if they think all is rosy in the garden.

Trolls and cliques will always exist, all too often we have seen how the analogy of "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" works when it comes to opinions with people aligning themselves, how things are overlooked and points ignored in favor of cliques.
Typical example is the case of how those who claimed the pdc were depriving the masses of darts by not being on terrestrial tv are now ignoring the fact the masters is on an even more obscure channel and they call it progress.

My question is MH was how do you think this board will grow .?
Will it have an equal balance in terms of support for both sides ?

Post by **M H** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:25 am

I feel this place will grow as a place where discussions can take place about either code in a rational manner without the obvious trolling. Take the Masters thread for instance, there's been criticism and also opinion about the BBC effectively dropping the BDO in it. That I consider to be balanced and enjoyable to read and contribute.

When a thread descends into "Skim, toy boards, meat raffle, etc etc" as I've witnessed many in the past I just move on and don't bother reading it. Been done to death too many times before.

Compare and contrast is valid when done in a positive and constructive way as I feel neither code is perfect but both get a lot of things right as well.