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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by SolidSCB » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:20 am

Duzza would have been the shout.

Will be no mystique in giving him a spot when he's had a year of getting pumped on the tour. Should have struck while the matchups would still have been intriguing.

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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by Zeyes » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:37 pm

Are we still talking about the same old boring Glen Durrant?

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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by Randall » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:24 pm

Rogg wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:14 am
Randall wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:11 am
Rogg wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:08 am Which brings us seamlessly to this.


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At risk of upsetting one or two, I find it hard to understand why #PDC did not give @Duzza180 a full place in this year's #PremierLeagueDarts. Maybe some noses would have been put out of joint, but putting nine names in looks a bit weak after @GaryAnderson180 withdrawal.
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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by Tommo » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:26 pm

The PDC are cunts.
They're all here!

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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by Rogg » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:16 pm

All sorted now lads. Caven must almost be a 'legend' himself by now, to those who can cope with such things.


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Have said in the past that it would be great if @BarryHearn would put on a legends game each night of the premier league, would be great to see the legends that made darts what it is today.
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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by Zeyes » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:33 pm

Some people will never let go of the past. Yes, what 7,000 people at a Premier League fixture want to see is Bobby George and Keith Deller averaging 62.

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Post by SolidSCB » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:36 pm

They did a whole premier League on Setanta for the legends, and that was shit. Now add a decade of decline onto that.

Money.

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Post by mad jock » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:39 pm

SolidSCB wrote: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:36 pm They did a whole premier League on Setanta for the legends, and that was shit. Now add a decade of decline onto that.

Money.

Remember that...first time i witnessed how bad Eric Brisows throw had become, tragic for a guy who put darts on the map..edit, i am thinking of another oldies get together :roll:

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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by thegentle » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:57 pm

Well, there's ONE legend who would do well, I'm sure some people won't want to see him return though!
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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by Rogg » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:03 pm

Interesting. Durrant straight in as the 18th most elderly. Farmer "Never Say Never" Mitchell is a few months older than him, lollers.

The fourth column is remarkable really. Worlds runner-up and champ at 100 and 101. Hopp the 7th youngest card holder. De Zwaan the 11th.


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This weekend the Pro Tour season starts. In table TC holders are sorted by age. Terry Temple is most experienced, being a full week older than Eddie Dootson. Brooks the youngest.
📊Avg: 35
📈Median: 33
🧒over 50% is aged 24-35
👴still 33% is 40+
🔎Gap: just 7 players aged 36-40

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Post by thegentle » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:07 pm

Rogg wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:03 pm Interesting. Durrant straight in as the 18th most elderly. Farmer "Never Say Never" Mitchell is a few months older than him, lollers.

The fourth column is remarkable really. Worlds runner-up and champ at 100 and 101. Hopp the 7th youngest card holder.


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This weekend the Pro Tour season starts. In table TC holders are sorted by age. Terry Temple is most experienced, being a full week older than Eddie Dootson. Brooks the youngest.
📊Avg: 35
📈Median: 33
🧒over 50% is aged 24-35
👴still 33% is 40+
🔎Gap: just 7 players aged 36-40

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Half of all tour card holders are younger than Gerwyn Price, and you'd never think of him as an older statesman of the game, especially when you look at the state of some of the guys that are apparently younger than him!
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Post by thegentle » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:10 pm

A lot of those players in their mid-30s, players who not long ago would have been called 'promising youngsters' already look to be past their primes as well. Young man's game these days
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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by Rogg » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:56 pm

thegentle wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:07 pm Half of all tour card holders are younger than Gerwyn Price, and you'd never think of him as an older statesman of the game, especially when you look at the state of some of the guys that are apparently younger than him!
When I started watching darts there was little evidence that anyone as young as Price even played the game. Today, half of the 128 are younger than him, including world champions and a heap of other TV title winners/finalists. That is quite a thought.
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Post by twathammer » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:46 pm

thegentle wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:07 pm
Rogg wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:03 pm Interesting. Durrant straight in as the 18th most elderly. Farmer "Never Say Never" Mitchell is a few months older than him, lollers.

The fourth column is remarkable really. Worlds runner-up and champ at 100 and 101. Hopp the 7th youngest card holder.


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This weekend the Pro Tour season starts. In table TC holders are sorted by age. Terry Temple is most experienced, being a full week older than Eddie Dootson. Brooks the youngest.
📊Avg: 35
📈Median: 33
🧒over 50% is aged 24-35
👴still 33% is 40+
🔎Gap: just 7 players aged 36-40

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Half of all tour card holders are younger than Gerwyn Price, and you'd never think of him as an older statesman of the game, especially when you look at the state of some of the guys that are apparently younger than him!
Fuck me some of them must have had a hard life - uphill paperrounds
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Re: Rogg's Twatter Watch

Post by thegentle » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:33 am

Rogg wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:56 pm
thegentle wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:07 pm Half of all tour card holders are younger than Gerwyn Price, and you'd never think of him as an older statesman of the game, especially when you look at the state of some of the guys that are apparently younger than him!
When I started watching darts there was little evidence that anyone as young as Price even played the game. Today, half of the 128 are younger than him, including world champions and a heap of other TV title winners/finalists. That is quite a thought.
Adrian Gray had an interview with Live Darts the other day, Phill Barrs basically labelled him a trailblazer for the younger generation. I mean it's hard to imagine that now, but he's right really, he must have been half the age of most of the field back then!
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Post by cannibal » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:48 am

Ffs, Adrian gray was shit then and is shit now. He was no fucking trail blazer. Where in the fuck is PT13 with some king historical fucking post on the youngsters of yester year. Some of you act as if it is some new thing that darts has people younger than 30 playing it.

How old was Bristow when he won the Masters, and the Worlds? How old was Deller when he won. How old was Part, Burnett, and Barney when they won.

MvG started winning the fuck out of everything when he was 23. Wade was 21 when he came to the PDC, was about 24 when he started winning titles. Lewis was 19 when he came into the PDC, ok he took a little longer to get his first tirle at the age of 26. But he was making an impact as a genuine threat long before that.

And that is the difference wade and Lewis where genuine threats for majors back in their mid to early 20's. Out of these youngsters today none of them are serious threat for majors. Ok outside contenders maybe but nothing like Wade and Lewis or even MvG when he was in his early 20's. So darts has been a young mans game for some time, the problem was Philth was such a greedy fuck very few could get near a chance at a title.
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Post by thegentle » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:45 pm

cannibal wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:48 am Ffs, Adrian gray was shit then and is shit now. He was no fucking trail blazer. Where in the fuck is PT13 with some king historical fucking post on the youngsters of yester year. Some of you act as if it is some new thing that darts has people younger than 30 playing it.

How old was Bristow when he won the Masters, and the Worlds? How old was Deller when he won. How old was Part, Burnett, and Barney when they won.

MvG started winning the fuck out of everything when he was 23. Wade was 21 when he came to the PDC, was about 24 when he started winning titles. Lewis was 19 when he came into the PDC, ok he took a little longer to get his first tirle at the age of 26. But he was making an impact as a genuine threat long before that.

And that is the difference wade and Lewis where genuine threats for majors back in their mid to early 20's. Out of these youngsters today none of them are serious threat for majors. Ok outside contenders maybe but nothing like Wade and Lewis or even MvG when he was in his early 20's. So darts has been a young mans game for some time, the problem was Philth was such a greedy fuck very few could get near a chance at a title.
To be fair though, Gray came along at a different time, after the initial boom, the bust, and before darts really started to gather momentum again, when it was picking up after the split but a million miles away from what it is now. He started out a few years before Lewis, and (IIRC) Wade was in the BDO around that time, so I dare say there were many youngsters around in the PDC at the time.

Good point about the youngsters of today, for whatever reason (the pressure of being a potential German superstar for Hopp, Dimitri hating the floor, and de Zwaan just losing confidence for a few years), there have been very few in recent years ready to contend for titles. I think it's harder to establish yourself now than it was before, Lewis and Wade didn't have to do much to propel themselves into the top 32 (even Gray managed that despite being nowhere near as precocious), whereas Hopp/Dimitri/de Zwaan etc. have a much deeper field to contend with and have struggled as a result. I think once they get established in that top 32, then we'll start to see them motoring, because MvG/Gando aside, the players at the top today are only able to show occasional brilliance. I see MvG being pretty dominant for as long as he wants/is able to be, but I think in the next few years these lads will provide stiffer competition than most of today's top 10
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Post by cannibal » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:29 pm

Really your going to hang your argument on wonder shit soft tip cunt Adrian Gray? Adrian started in the PDC in 2002, 2 years before Lewis and Wade came on the scene full time in the PDC. Wade actually played PDC events in 2002 and 2003. Not sure what difference 2 years makes in terms of how the PDC changed, especially in those 2 years, nothing changed. So to be actually fair Gray didn't come along at a different time.

Yes there are a lot more younger players playing today than there was back in 2002-2004 in the PDC. But that is due to opportunity. Younger players had the opportunity to play county, super league etc. And there was no development or challenge tour and only about a dozen pro tour events in the PDC in those days. The better route for developing young talent back in those days was to play the dozens of opens, BDO, and WDF events to test your metal against other weekend warriors and lesser rans of the BDO. The other way was to plunk your money down and do the PDC events where your more than likely to come up straight away against a chiseled veteran. Lets see one in done and wait for several weeks to have another go. Or a better chance to work your way thru a field the player can maybe manage and gain match experience the BDO was the better choice for young developing players. Now of course that has all changed with the CT and DT provided by the PDC. Throw in the JDC and your getting the little spunktards playing the game even earlier at an organized level.

Other young(ish) (in their twenties anyways) players at the time of about 2004 where Newton, Barnard that were playing PDC regularly. If I remember correctly it wasn't until 2008 there was a big expansion of the Pro Tour to like 30+ events. It was around this time you had more younger players coming to the PDC, Klaasen 2007, MvG 2007, Webster 2009. And still this group was proven talent at the time of their switch as they had actually won something of note.

Point is young talent has been making an impact on the game, well since the beginning of "Professional" darts and Bristow. Further Adrian Gray was no trail blazer he was just a stupid fuck that wore his collar up long after it was fashionable.
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Post by thegentle » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:46 pm

Again, I'm not saying Gray was ever more than a footnote for the sport (maybe 'trailblazer' was the wrong word to use tbf, 'representative' would be more appropriate), but really, there weren't many players his age at the time. I make it 15 players on the main tour still eligible for the Development Tour (Bunse downwards), were there that many young players playing regularly at professional level back then?
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Post by Rogg » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:50 pm

Sorry to interrupt. Here is one advantage of the guests idea, or at least of the way they're using it. Tailoring it regionally etc.

I can see the PeeDeeCee feeling quite reluctant to let go of the idea when the 2020 PL comes around. I'm probably wrong.

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