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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:53 pm

Darth Randall wrote:Enough with the nice guy stuff already.
James get rid of your signature or I will.
Play nicely!
I don't take it seriously.

He was starting with the Twit stuff yesterday, which is when the sig went up.

Very childish and tit-for-tat, but also amusing.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:54 pm

But fine, the signature can go, but only because I can type a living legend's name without switching to a genuine paedo.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Randall » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:58 pm

jrwfsl147 wrote:
Darth Randall wrote:Enough with the nice guy stuff already.
James get rid of your signature or I will.
Play nicely!
I don't take it seriously.

He was starting with the nice guy stuff yesterday, which is when the sig went up.

Very childish and tit-for-tat, but also amusing.
Have a Martin Adams one, let's just end this petty feud.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Dicie » Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:06 pm

Justin Credible wrote:Jimmy the nice guy must have been up all night accommodating the info in such a way to suit his cause.
Why was the figure of 90 accepted ??

rerun it now again for 95 plus averages and guess who wins ?
oh right, that wont do, as that wont suit your cause.

The simple truth is this, for years bdo gimps have spouted this horseshit about the bdo having a stronger field, as if it was undeniable or not open to questioning .
My original post and recent pic proves it was all a bdo gimp myth

I picked a 90 average, because 30 pd was about the norm in 02. If you look at the tourny averages for comps around then. It was always barneys benchmark as well, i recall an exbo in cork when he said 30 pd was where he wanted to be, minimum.

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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Dicie » Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:18 pm

2014. Where i think we will all agree was one of the weakest bdo events ever?

QF
BDO 6 players 90 or above
PDC all 8 above the 90 ave

SF
BDO 2 above
PDC 4 above

Final
ALl 4 players above the 90 average.

10 bdo
16 PDC

So if we are to take Waltons win as being the strongest for the BDO

BDO
QF onwards

QF 7 above 90
SF 4 above 90
Final 2 above 90

PDC
QF 5 above 90
SF ALl 4 above 90
Both above 90

13-11 to the BDO on them 2 years, the BDO's weakest, and strongest years since the split.

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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Dicie » Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:23 pm

To show that in 02 that 90 average was a pro players norm, 17 of the 32 players in the pdc worlds, averages 90 or above in the first round.
2nd round 7 of the 16 players averaged 90 or above

Thats exactly half the field in 2002, within the pdc averages 90 or above in the first 2 rounds.

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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Randall » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:09 pm

By the time you get as far as 2010 I think the benchmark needs to be moved to 95 and as it gets later 100. The gulf in class in the two fields would be more obvious then I would expect.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Randall » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:19 pm

2010 95+ 100+
Quarter
Pdc 6 Bdo 1 Pdc 3 Bdo 0
Semi
Pdc 3 Bdo 2 Pdc 1 Bdo 0
Final
Pdc 2 Bdo 1 Pdc 2 Bdo 0
Total

Pdc 11. Bdo 4. Pdc 7. Bdo 0
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Randall » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:29 pm

2002 95+

Quarter
Pdc 1 Bdo 3
Semi
Pdc 1 bdo 3
Final
Pdc 1 Bdo 0
Total Pdc 3 all taylor Bdo 6

Bdo also had 3 100+ averages from 3 players to the pdc none.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Randall » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:30 pm

Somewhere between 02 and 10 the balance swung.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Fake Wade's Official Sunday Account » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:31 pm

Obvious which code is stronger now, we can see it with our own eyes.

I think until very recently the BDO always had at least a couple of the top ten players in the world. At various times, the stats suggest that they had the majority.

In 2011, Waites and Adams were top ten without question, then Adams fell off and Waites under-performed.

They'll probably never have two of the top ten simultaneously ever again.

Top ten best players right now (in no order) would probably be something like MVG, Ando, Lewis, Wade, Taylor, Chizzy, Barney, Bunting, TJ and Wright.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Randall » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:40 pm

2006, the last year barney played bdo
95+
Quarter Pdc 1Bdo 0. Totals 5-1 3 taylor
Semi. Pdc 3 Bdo 1
Final. Pdc 1 Bdo 0

Pdc had 2 100 plus averages, both
taylor, the bdo none.
I think it's fair to say as late as 06 the difference really only was taylor.
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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Dicie » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:44 pm

Darth Randall wrote:Somewhere between 02 and 10 the balance swung.

FOr me it was around 05-06, when Barney moved, players within the pdc seen there was a chance to make this hobby there full time job, and players improved (Shock horror)
If a good player practices more than he did previously, he is going to improve.
If he plays on tv more, and gets use to the heat/lighting, he will improve.

I dont buy into the bigger trebles shite, i honestly think around then, 2004/5/6 players seen real money been thrown at the game. Premier league was also brought in around then, and much more money was pumped back into the game.

You practice, you improve, so if you are already a 90 average player, and yu improve 5%, then your average will go up accordingly.

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Re: Why the PDC was Always stronger than Lakeshite

Post by Randall » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:51 pm

Barney was the catalyst for sure, he made taylor get back on the practice board and that forced the standard higher. No disrespect to painter or Dudbridge but they wouldn't have been running a taylor in top form as close as they did.
The figures from 06 document that take taylor out and the rest are much of a muchness at that time.
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